Who's read "A is for Admissions" book?

<p>Echosensei,
I.m.o., the "outdated" part of Hernandez' book relates mostly to the numerical standards & sort of structured methodology she refers to. Not that there isn't a structure to the adcoms; I know that they have their procedures, etc. I just mean that if you look at the results simply on CC (those that post stats, etc.), including last yr's, too, the process for the Ivies does not appear to be quite as formulaic as it was 8+ yrs. ago. That's of course because it can't be any longer, given the number of statistical equals applying to top colleges, exceeding the student bodies of each of them. The sheer volume of applicants & applications has "forced" a move toward more qualitative comparisons over quantitative, as well as a move toward broad aspects of diversity much beyond ethnicity.</p>

<p>However, I never took A for Admissions quite so literally, anyway. What her book is valuable for is the Big Picture about Ivy admission as a reach, and the overriding importance of rank at least in a qualitative sense if not quantitative. It seems to continue to be true that how the applicant compares within his or her school & regional community, for the factors that are being considered, is extremely important to an adcom. That Big Picture information was quite helpful to my D & to me in helping her devise a strategy.</p>

<p>Please do not read Rachel Toor's book if you have not already read it. I say this because it is a distortion. (That is beyond its distastefulness, well publicized on CC.) Ivyqueen, it did warn/alert readers to the BWRK syndrome, but the huge (& critical!) factor that Toor did not address were the HARK's (Highly Accomplished). I personally know one BWRK who applied only to reaches (no Ivies) & got accepted nowhere this yr; she was badly advised & had bad strategy; this group needs a very well-thought-out strategy now & a list weighted toward safeties. </p>

<p>But Toor neglected the HARK's, leap-frogging over them to the GARK's (globally-accomplished -- my term). Her claim, wholly unsubstantiated, is that only internationally famous people get accepted to Ivies, outside of legacies, big donors, & recruited athletes. (There's the Anorexic Pool that does give one an admission edge, but that's a different story.)<br>
This is called FICTION. (I think Xiggi's onto something.) Now, my D may be called "famous" within her school certainly, & to some extent in her larger local community, but I assure you that outside of those environments, no one's heard of her. Similarly for all those I personally know of who have been accepted to Ivies -- many of those receiving multiple acceptances to a list of Ivies. (My own was accepted to all 3 of her chosen Ivy schools; I know of some accepted to 5 or 6 -- none of them famous, either.)</p>

<p>Sometimes I think that Toor's book was a plant by the (non-existent) college adcom members' union, to discourage employment applications for these positions. Don't worry, Adcom Union, your jobs are safe from me, anyway. If college admissions is really the sausage factory that Toor describes, I would rather -- to quote author Dave Barry -- "have someone pour hot tar into my nostrils" than to ever, ever sit on a college admissions committee. If what Toor describes really is <em>non</em>-fiction, I cannot understand why its members don't walk out of the meetings in moral outrage.</p>

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<p>We found the Fiske Guide almost essential: incomplete standing alone, but "essential" for us as an eliminator. Since my D knew what she did <em>not</em> want in campus culture, student life/preferences, those aspects, which are well addressed in this book, helped in the list formation. We didn't take all the student quotes as Gospel, but when there was outside corroboration, we took the "student life" descriptions seriously. The Fiske is also good for discussing the strengths of particular academic programs/majors within a school.</p>

<p>Thank you to all of you for your opinions. I'm finishing "A" and have the "Gatekeepers" to look through next.</p>

<p>I've read all of these books when d was in 7th grade. I checked them out from a public library, I wouldn't buy these books if I were you. However, despite some of the suggestions from these books, to be top notch student at a mediocre high school, I did the opposite, I move to a top notch high school so my kid can be non-top notch student. But that is ok with me, it's the study skill that is important, they need 4 year in high school of really tough curriculum to improve their study skills. Some high schools are too easy. I don't care if they maximize their chances to get into Harvard and find out they can't keep up academically with their peers.</p>

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Her academic index would fall woefully short of actual admission today; most of her "9's"-- which according to her would seal the deal with most top-schools (Ivies, etc)-- were rejected or waitlisted this year.

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<p>I don't think that's true. Academic 8s and 9s are nearly auto-admits at virtually every college and university in the US, including Dartmouth, Brown, Penn, Columbia, Williams, Swarthmore, Amherst, Duke, etc.</p>

<p>The problem is that people fail to understand how tough it is to be an academic 8 or 9, requiring extremely high SATs: say 775 across the board PLUS a number one or two class rank. Failing to understand the importance of class rank is, IMO, the biggest mistake parents and kids make in evaluating their odds. </p>

<p>Hernandez is absolutely right that the real action for most of our kids in is the Academic 6 and 7 categories. For example, a kid ranked 3rd out of a class of 300 with straight 750s across the board would be an academic 7 based on CC's version of the Academic calculator. It is the academic 6s and 7s that really must present a coherent identity on the application.</p>

<p>The other huge mistake people make is failing to understand the implications of high yield at HYPSM. They don't understand that these five schools do not follow the same admissions "rules" as the other colleges.</p>

<p>Think about it. Dartmouth or Swarthmore or Duke is going to send 2 or 3 acceptance letters to fill every spot in the freshman class. They can't overfill their freshman slots by a factor of two or three with academic 8s and 9s. There simply aren't that many. So they accept the overwhelming majority of 8s and 9s, only rejected those whose applications have some glaring negative. 8s and 9s don't even need to be discussed by the committee for the most part. First reader marks the "Admit" box; second reader marks the "admit" box, Dean of Admissions signs off.</p>

<p>The majority of the admits are 6s and 7s. Firgure somewhere around 50% of these applicants get accepted, give or take, depending on the school. This where the ECs and identity are essential to emerge from the pack. A 6 or 7 is no slouch academically. See example of a 7 above. It's about mid-pack for schools like Duke, Dartmouth, Williams, etc.</p>

<p>Finally, they round out the class with some 4s and 5s who bring something extra to the party (recruited athlete, development admit, additional diversity). </p>

<p>Williams is not atypical in admitting 66 recruited athletes from the 4, 5, and 6s and another 35 from the 7 category, based solely on coach's lists. I doubt that Duke is terribly unusual when it admits about 5% of each class from the lists of potential large donors prepared by the development office, some of these also falling in the 4, 5, and 6 categories. Some schools will lean a little harder on the 4 and 5 category to achieve institutional goals; others may use this part of the applicant pool a little more sparingly. But, we are talking incremental differences.</p>

<p>I agree, ID, it's not so dated. I think it was you who made a comment some time ago to the effect that admissions are pretty predictable if you except HYPSM, I've kept it in mind, and find it to be true.</p>

<p>Re: myriad should be retired for several years... the word on my hit list is "passion." Can't colleges and applicants think of some other word that denotes enthusiasm?</p>

<p>I just did an interesting little exercise. Since my S is unranked (owing to graduating early), I used his SAT scores and ranked him 3rd out of his graduating class then 5th. At 3rd, he gets a 9 out of 9 on AI; at 5th, he drops down to 8 out of 9. I don't know if adcoms make a real distinction between 8s and 9s, but it was a startling example of the impact of class rank on AI.</p>

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It's very interesting indeed. This was the exact rationale used by many high schools, including my daughter's, in eliminating class rank; they claimed that a student who would have been ranked, say, 5th out of 300, would score higher on the AI if he came from a school that did not rank.</p>

<p>I've always wondered whether they were right. To begin with, I'm a bit fuzzy as to how many (and which) schools currently use the AI, which I believe was originally intended to apply to recruited athletes at Ivy League colleges. It would be great if Michele Hernandez could clarify and update that point in a later edition of *A is for Admission<a href="or--even%20better--on%20CC">/i</a>.</p>

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Excellent points, everybody. Maybe someone should start a thread on words to avoid in college essays (unless that has already been done)? My own pet peeves are "replete," "intrepid," and "impact" used as a verb.</p>

<p>myriad can be used both as a noun and an adjective, or so says Webster's</p>

<p>"My own pet peeves are "replete," "intrepid," and "impact" used as a verb."</p>

<p>I love this. I once worked for a British company that was horrified by the American proclivity, especially in business, toward turning nouns and adjectives into verbs: impact, prioritize, annualize. They used to tell me "Stomp it out before it spreads!"</p>

<p>For my son's writing, our agreeement is that he is never to use "thwart" or "trove".</p>

<p>Back to the original topic: Any one other than my husband find Katherine Cohen's title, The Truth About Getting In,and accompanying photo eye-brow-raisingly provactive? (I really need to take that tutorial on smileys. )</p>

<p>Momrath:</p>

<p>Yes, I did!
As for smileys, colon followed by end parenthesis should get you the happy face :) semi-colon followed by end parenthesis should get you the winking face. ;) Colon followed by begin parenthesis should get you the sad face. :(</p>

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Thou art a veritable (another odious word) trove of wisdom ;).</p>

<p>Before I hijack this thread even more, this seems a good time for me to stick in a plug for my favorite admissions book of all time: On Writing the College Application Essay, by Harry Bauld, a former admissions officer at Brown and Columbia who is incredibly smart and funny about both adcoms and essay-writing. I may have read a zillion books on admissions, but this is the only one that my daughter read cover-to-cover. I'm passionate (!) about it.</p>

<p>"myriad can be used both as a noun and an adjective, or so says Webster's"</p>

<p>Yes, and that was the issue. Chuck Hughes wrote that the use of myriad as a noun would raise an immediate red flag. I happen to think that the use of myriad as an adjective is trite -as in myriad stars in the sky. That is, however, not the point. It is best to avoid the word altogether, avoid a possible red flag, and more importantly, the red "R" stamp on your file that won't stand for RIGHT!</p>

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<p>I found both the title and the cover photo off-putting. I guess she really doesn't get why that harms her credibility with many parents. Is there some region of the country where that kind of cover photo is a sign of a professional woman (in the GOOD sense of that term)?</p>

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I don't think that's true. Academic 8s and 9s are nearly auto-admits at virtually every college and university in the US, including Dartmouth, Brown, Penn, Columbia, Williams, Swarthmore, Amherst, Duke, etc.]/quote]</p>

<p>Well, evidence to the contrary - according to the CC calculator, my son's AI is 238 out of the 240 and as I previously mentioned, he was accepted at Harvard but rejected at Yale and Brown. (The calculator does assume that WGPA over 4.3 with no rank is the equivalent of a # 1 or 2 absolute rank - this may not be the case in the adcom's mind.) There were no negatives on the app as far as we know, which implies that if the auto-admit 8/9 were true, that you would have to look elsewhere for an explanation (the 'caucasian applying for financial aid factor' or that sort of thing).</p>

<p>Rank can be very misleading at many schools, because, for instance, our system weights Honors the same as APs, 1 quality point, but the Honors courses are not as difficult. A student can achieve a very high WGPA by taking no non-Honors electives and taking all Honors, without even one AP course.</p>

<p>I'm not a an "A for Admission" fan (too focused on ivies; tactical advice not aging well), but her followup book "Acing the College Application" is pretty useful. It updates and broadens the focus of her approach.</p>

<p>Count me in with the Bill Mayher fans. That plus the Fiske guide plus "Acing" would be my shortlist. Bonus book would be "College Application Essays for Dummies" by Geraldine Woods, which is a more engaging for hs students than the Bauld book, which appeals a bit more to parents. And several are still available for under $3 on amazon.com </p>

<p>Xiggi's accelerated maturity explains his choice of Bauld <grin>.</grin></p>

<p>I'm not familiar with College Application Essays for Dummies, but I do know my HS daughter got hooked on Harry Bauld's description of the weary admissions officers slogging their way through gems like The Trip (“I had to adjust to a whole new way of life”) or Tales of My Success (“But finally, when I crossed the finish line…”)--which were exactly the sorts of essays that her GC liked :rolleyes:.</p>

<p>Btw, here's a link to a CC review of the Bauld book: <a href="http://www.collegeconfidential.com/college_books/college_essay.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.collegeconfidential.com/college_books/college_essay.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p>

<p>Hi all,</p>

<p>I found you all! Thanks for the kind words about my first book A is for Admission. To answer some thoughtful criticisms: keep in mind, though some try to say the material is only specific to Dartmouth, that is not the case. As a Dartmouth admissions officer for 4 years, we had lots of Ivy wide (plus MIT) meetings and conferences where we discussed as a group all the issues discussed. Sure, many of the case exampes are from Dartmouth, but I was very careful to point out when I was talking JUST about Dartmouth. I'm sure some of the astute readers of this forum note that the few times there were differences (for example, Princeton's 1-4 scale versus Dartmouth's 1-9 scale), I noted them as footnotes. The paperback is the updated one (if I recall, it updated in 1999) but the problem is, I am a private consultant and not an admissions officer, so even though I would love to update the book to include the new SAT and the new AI calcluation (which has not been decided yet), I can't! I do have a brand new book out which I'm sure I'm not allowed to plug but it would be great to get your feedback since it is the first book to deal with stress and how to manage it (Don't Worry You'll Get In: 100 Winning Tips For Stress Free College Admissions). I apologize if I wasn't supposed to mention it. I've been reading your posts on and off for years and would love to answer any other questions, so feel free to post! I am thick skinned, so I won't take offense. Maybe I'll win over Xiggi whose posts I have always enjoyed!</p>

<p>A clarification: many parents are correct in pointing out that it is harder now for academic 8's and 9's. However, that doesn't invalidate the methods described in A is for Admission which are VIRTUALLY UNCHANGED -- don't you know how slowly real change happens in education? So sharp parents will mentally calculate that since the 1999 edition, every year since then the number of apps has gone UP at top schools and they take FEWER kids. So of course the percentage of accepted students goes down. Harvard Yale and Princeton are almost in a league of their own -- in addition to stats, you need some kind of hook or stand out talent (I love Chuck Hughes book and highly recommend it to understand WHY it's so hard to get into Harvard -- his and Harry Bauld's are my favorite admissions reads excepting my own). I also agree with what another parent said: most true academic 8's and 9's are STILL accepted to every other school besides HYP. I've been doing private counseling for 8 years and just about ALL my 8's and 9's get in because once you have those numbers, it's ALL ABOUT THE APPLICATION ITSELF!!! This is a key point that I"m always sad to see students and parents misunderstand.</p>

<p>If you read CC posts of the Ivies, you might assume that all those 8's and 9's are just being rejected out of hand, but chances are there were things they could have done to have been accepted that are not related to their scores and rank! Those scores and stats only tell you that they should be able to get in if they do many other things right. An important point I felt was worth making in the face of all those stats that scare kids to death. Many brilliant students simply write atrocious apps so they in effect do themselves in.</p>