Why aren't middle easterns considered URMs?

[captrick]

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When they failed to perform, they blame the world. Blame everything but themselves.

Fail to perform? The people most hurt by affirmative action are the ones who work hard but could not receive the reciprocal reward for it because of the system.</p>

[quomodo]

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It’s the culture that makes them interesting you dolt, not the skin culture. A black male is different from a white male not because of skin but, because of culture.

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<p>How is the culture of a black kid adopted by white parents who goes to a private, predominantly white school any different from that of your average white kid? Or an upper-class black kid who lives in the burbs and goes to a nice high school. For that matter, what IS “black culture?” Please enlighten me. And what makes this culture better than Russian culture, or Jewish culture, or Armenian culture, or Korean culture?</p>

[Mentos]

<p>While I don’t necessarily agree with Daxlo5’s post-
the vast majority of blacks that are attending top schools weren’t adopted by white parents and sent to elite private schools. There are correlations between race and income, although it seems AA does give the biggest boost to wealthy URMs. There are pretty distinct elements of African American cultural heritage and history that distinguish it from normal WASP-centric history, and I think it’s hard to argue otherwise. And no one is saying that the culture is better than others, but that it would not be as represented on campus as “Russian culture” etc. without AA.</p>

<p>There is diversity of thought associated with diversity of growing up in different circumstances. I personally think that the focus should be on income and class, rather than race, but it seems that class lines are often overlooked in the US. Race is not a great proxy for class, in practice. Which is why I’m a fan of programs like QuestBridge.</p>

[adchang]

<p>Hi, I’m a poor black kid living in New Orleans with great EC’s (prez of sci oly, vp of orch and MAO), top 10 in my class and a 2350 SAT. I had asthma, but worked through that, and also was displaced by Hurricane Katrina and have suffered from racism.</p>

<p>Now switch black with Chinese. Point illustrated?</p>

[rkay123]

<p>@adchang Congratulations on yoru achievements. I am particularily appreciative of your achievement in the face of difficult circumstances and may be some discrimination. Only you can solve your problems. Only you can pull yourself out of your difficult circumstances and it appears you are progerssing well on that front. Discrimination or not, only you are responsible for what heppens to you - success or failure.</p>

[adchang]

<p>@rkay123 Well, a couple friends and I actually messed around with a rep (from a top 10 school) at a college fair and offered those two examples. My chinese friend gave some stats, and the rep wasn’t interested in him. Then my black friend did the same thing, and the rep got all interested and had like a 10 minute conversation with him. XD</p>

<p>Yes, we ■■■■■■■ a HYPS rep.</p>

[shushugah]

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12.9% of the US population is African American. Under-representation would occur if less than 12.9% of the population at top schools is African American; this is the case: at HYP, African American populations range from 7% to 9%

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<p>That’s WITH AA, imagine how much lower it would be if there was no AA and just an honest merit based system, there would also be many more asians, as many qualify, but too many apply, hence many get rejected.</p>

[shushugah]

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While I don’t necessarily agree with Daxlo5’s post-
the vast majority of blacks that are attending top schools weren’t adopted by white parents and sent to elite private schools. There are correlations between race and income, although it seems AA does give the biggest boost to wealthy URMs. There are pretty distinct elements of African American cultural heritage and history that distinguish it from normal WASP-centric history, and I think it’s hard to argue otherwise. And no one is saying that the culture is better than others, but that it would not be as represented on campus as “Russian culture” etc. without AA.</p>

<p>There is diversity of thought associated with diversity of growing up in different circumstances. I personally think that the focus should be on income and class, rather than race, but it seems that class lines are often overlooked in the US. Race is not a great proxy for class, in practice. Which is why I’m a fan of programs like QuestBridge.

could not have said it better, </p>

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Well, a couple friends and I actually messed around with a rep (from a top 10 school) at a college fair and offered those two examples. My chinese friend gave some stats, and the rep wasn’t interested in him. Then my black friend did the same thing, and the rep got all interested and had like a 10 minute conversation with him. XD</p>

<p>Yes, we ■■■■■■■ a HYPS rep.

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<p>indeed that is the sad story of all of this. :P</p>