<p>Ahem.. MIT (Massachussets, not Mannipal) is the best engineering school</p>
<p>I don't look down on engineers as much as I would say.. a communications major. Engineering is definatly above anything in the language/arts sorts of majors. I do look down slightly on engineers because they seem to get around not having in-depth understanding of why/how things are that real sciences (such as physics/chemistry) students do. When I have Chem Eers in my chem classes, I have to roll my eyes because they are completely incompetent and ask the dumbest questions. I have no earthly idea why any company would hire a chem Eer over a chemist.</p>
<p>I look down on engineers because I do physics, and if physics were any easier they'd call it engineering. ;)</p>
<p>Really now, um, never seen people disdain engineers and often see the engineers looking down on others. And I really don't think the engineers would take anyone seriously who tried to lessen the difficulty of their major!</p>
<p>And pure science students have no idea about engineering either.</p>
<p>Physics is easier than some types of Engineering, Including Chemical, Electrical, Nuclear, and Aerospace.</p>
<p>I know people who tried double majoring in physics and Aerospace, guess which one they stuck with.</p>
<p>... and I know some people who started out majoring in engineering and physics (dual degree, not the major itself), and guess which one they stuck with. In my experience, difficulty once you're into the hard sciences and engineering does not depend on what major you end up in, and difficulty varies in each subject from program to program in school to school.</p>
<p>In any case, calm down Lancer as it was a joke alright? I've respect for engineers and their water flow through pipes problems the same way my engineering friends have respect for my relativistic quantum mechanics. Figuring out which one's "more difficult" in such a case is definete apples to oranges anyway.</p>
<p>physicists have to make fun of engineers. otherwise mathematicians couldnt make fun of physicists without feeling guilty... and we wouldnt want that. well, at least i wouldnt.</p>
<p>and in an attempt to actually contribute to this thread, my brother (an architectural engineer) got two 'c's in college... both in architecture courses.</p>
<p>Oh, I know it was a joke. I wasn't angry. It is hard to see sarcasm online.</p>
<p>BTW, I am a scientist too, ya know. Yes, sad to say it.. I am a traitor to my engineering kind, I have since gotten another degree in planetary geology and study planets for a living.</p>
<p>Of course, the physicists will laugh because stars are so much cooler than planets, right?</p>
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Med School/Law School (which are graduate programs) vs. Undergrad Engineering is comparing apples to oranges. It follows that med school/law school should be harder than most undergrad engineering programs.</p>
<p>However, comparing things on the same level... undergrad vs. undergrad:</p>
<p>Undergrad Engineering is harder than pre-med.
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<p>I believe I said as such, and you missed my point in comparing to undergrad to grad: You can be a engineer after graduation from undergraduate - thus it's a form of professional school in my opinion. You cannot practice law or medicine without going to the appropriate professional school. Therefore the intent of each program is the SAME - giving you the appropriate knowledge base to perform the tasks necessary to be gainfully employed in that field.</p>
<p>And believe, being a first year medical student I know that Medicine and Law are graduate programs. Obviously you have no problem looking down on people who arent' engineers - it wasn't your manifest message but it definitely was a latent message.</p>
<p>MOST people at my college look down on humanities and business students. I think they're mad because they are meeting their bosses in advance :)</p>
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no offense but engineers are getting outsourced these days. because india has so many good ones,and IIT is now the best engineering school.
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<p>It's not just engineering. It's all kinds of different fields.</p>
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It follows that med school/law school should be harder than most undergrad engineering programs.
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I used to be an engineer. Now I'm in law school. I'm happy to tell you that you are wrong. Most engineers I know who are here are doing very well and consider it to be easier than undergrad engineering.</p>
<p>I concur with BigRedMed - engineering is professional school, much like law or medicine. It just happens to be undergrad - you are ready to practice in a specific profession after your bachelor's.</p>
<p>To the people who don't get why someone would hire a chemE instead of a chemist - first of all, they do; second of all, they pay about $20k/year more; and third, many chemists regret not doing engineering. So why do they pay more? Hire more? IMO, two reasons:
1. ChemEs have extensive chemistry backgrounds - almost enough to qualify for a chem major. Then they have all of the engin. skills. So they can do most of what you do and then a lot more.
2. Engineers dominate the upper echelons of business; some 1 in 4 CEOs are engineers. The education is valuable to BUSINESSES, although it might not be all erudite and snobby. People hire and pay for that.</p>
<p>Ariesathena, I stand corrected. In this case, I am quite happy to hear I am wrong. </p>
<p>I used to think only engineering grad school was harder than law school. So undergrad engineering is harder than law school also?</p>
<p>And people wonder why engineers feel their major is harder than anyone elses..If it is the hardest field, at least they can make a strong argument. Though so can theoretical physics and chemistry.</p>
<p>(BTW, I was also an engineer myself, though I am a planetary scientist now)</p>
<p>And yes, planetary science is way, way easier than engineering.</p>
<p>stargirl,</p>
<p>How many dimensions are the string theorists using these days? What's the latest fad? How many fitting coefficients?</p>
<p>If you give me 5 coefficients, I'll draw an elephant. Give me 6 and I'll make him wag his tail.</p>
<p>beprepn</p>
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Obviously you have no problem looking down on people who arent' engineers - it wasn't your manifest message but it definitely was a latent message.
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<p>I actually have a lot of respect for lawyers and doctors both. Engineers are just jealous that you guys tend to make more than us so we have to take it out somehow!</p>
<p>We should be making more than what we do, given the hell we've been through!</p>
<p>i could never be an engineer. The math doesn't agree with me</p>
<p>i guess it depends on where you are.. engineers here are seen as ridiculously smart? haha. personally i don't have that type of precision or math skills or brain cells or interest needed to be an engineer so i respect them a lot.</p>
<p>It really does take a special person.. I couldn't do what engineers do either for a living...</p>
<p>And I have an engineering degree myself.</p>
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stargirl,</p>
<p>How many dimensions are the string theorists using these days? What's the latest fad? How many fitting coefficients?</p>
<p>If you give me 5 coefficients, I'll draw an elephant. Give me 6 and I'll make him wag his tail.
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<p>Sorry mate, I'm an experimentalist and not a theorist and have a thing against studying fields that I'll never be able to prove in the lab. :)</p>
<p>(But the answer to your question is 26 dimensions per bosonic theory, but there's the slight problem of the tachyon with imaginary mass... otherwise they deal with 10.)</p>