Why do they all hate it?

<p>I'm an EA Applicant, and as most of us are, I've been trying to wish the next few hours away as quickly as possible through mindless surfing of the crimson among other sites. </p>

<p>Now through my reading, I've felt a very negative vibe, if you'll forgive the cliche, so I just thought I'd throw this out. </p>

<p>If Harvard really is a great college, and I'm still pretty sure it is, then why do so many of the people there have such a negative view of the Harvard experience?</p>

<p>Why in fact is there such a concern about dropping the 'H bomb'?</p>

<p>I'd appreciate any answer from current students, or indeed from anybody else...</p>

<p>For starters, I'll answer the question about the "H bomb."</p>

<p>When I saw on the "101 reasons to go to Harvard" thread that someone had put the reason "dropping the H bomb," I couldn't help but laugh. Harvard students know that telling someone you go to Harvard is a decidely UNpleasant experience.</p>

<p>Think about it a second- outside of your friends and family (who are just going to be happy for you), these are the possible reactions (every one of these has happened to me at least once):</p>

<p>a)"Whoa- you must be really smart!" After which, you feel uncomfortable.
b)"Hey, I didn't think you were smart!" Even more uncomfortable.
c)"Wow. I totally could never get into that school." How are you supposed to respond?
d)"Wow. I could have gotten in, but I thought Harvard was just too pretentious and so overrated..." Ummm, thanks... jerk...
e)"Hey, what were all of your scores and grades?" Then you have to defend yourself and why you got in.
f)"Whoa, way to brag about it!" Uh, you asked me...
g)"Doesn't Harvard pay no attention to undergraduates and have distant professors and isn't everyone snobby?" This one bothers me the most. Does any other school have to face this, where the first thing you hear is all the flaws and perceived flaws parroted at you? This would be considered rude if it were talking about any other school- why is it OK when it's Harvard?</p>

<p>Dropping the H-bomb is only fun if you're arrogant and like attention (as I'm sure you're not). It's never enjoyable to be in uncomfortable situations like that. Harvard has a lot going for it, but if the only reason you want to go is that you want to tell people you got in- well, it's not a good idea.</p>

<p>Now, to address your larger question: if you got a negative view of Harvard from looking through the Crimson, then there's a simple reason- it's the Crimson's job to report on things that need change! If there's a funding problem, or students have a concern about some class or some program, or a study shows some problem with Harvard, that's what reaches the Crimson- and with good reason.</p>

<p>However, I'm not sure this answers your question. Frankly, your question is so broad I don't even know where to start. I don't know where you got the impression that many students have a negative view of Harvard. I DEFINITELY agree that it's not for everyone- you should seriously look into the school before you choose to go there, if you're accepted. (That doesn't include reading rumors on the internet- you really have to visit.)</p>

<p>If you have a specific question about Harvard or student views of it, please let me know, but I REALLY don't understand what you're looking for.</p>

<p>Oh, it's nothing really, I'm just a very tense EA Applicant penning down random thoughts. </p>

<p>I have researched Harvard quite a bit, and that's why I was rather surprised when I came across many of the rumors you've mentioned. You see, as an International, I'm restricted mainly to the internet when it comes to examining colleges, so at times I'm not exactly sure what to believe.</p>

<p>I do think I'd fit in at Harvard, in fact it is my 1st choice, I was just wondering why so many of the people at Harvard seemed to have negative views. But I guess your explanation regarding the Crimson's purposes does explain that.</p>

<p>Anyway, thanks a lot for your quick response, Admiral, and best of luck to all you other EA applicants out there. :)</p>

<p>Glad to help, shrivats. Still, I think are are a lot of negative ideas out there about Harvard that are worth addressing- some are true, some are somewhat off-base, and some are completely ridiculous. (Note these are just a freshman's opinion.)</p>

<p>1)"Harvard students are arrogant and preppy"- DEFINITELY false. If there's one group of people that know that going to Harvard doesn't make you special, it's Harvard students. As for preppy- I know a few preppy students here, as well as goth students, emo students, jock students, hippie students, and (by far the majority) REGULAR students. Harvard isn't the W.A.S.P.-ridden institution it was a century ago- the diversity here, be it in race, religion, class, or just clothing style, is actually astonishing. (All it takes to get rid of this perception is a visit to the campus).</p>

<p>Funny story, actually- "Legally Blonde" filmed a scene in front of Harvard Yard. They had the option of using real Harvard students to walk through in the background as extras. However, they chose to use actors instead- because they said the Harvard students "didn't look Harvard enough." Might just be an urban legend, but still funny.</p>

<p>2)"Harvard doesn't pay attention to its undergraduates"- not true at all. xjayz and I (along with other Harvard students) have written extensively on this in past threads, so I'm not going to go into this much.</p>

<p>The important thing is that while professors are NOT "distant" or "focused entirely on research," and many will go to the trouble to learn everyone's name, even in a class of 200 or more students, it's true that you won't build the same relationship with professors that you will at a liberal arts school that's focused on smaller classes and closer professors. This is true of any national university- whether it's Harvard or Yale or Dartmouth or UC Berkeley or University of Wisconsin at Madison or whatever. (By the way, I have a number of friends at liberal arts schools- some say that the general atmosphere of "being close to professors" is overrated. I'm sure it's a matter of opinion, but make sure you know what you want.)</p>

<p>3) "Harvard is extremely expensive." Completely ridiculous- this one bothers me the most. With a total cost of about $41,000 a year, Harvard isn't anywhere CLOSE to being the most expensive school in the country (that dubious honor goes to Sarah Lawrence, in Bronxville NY, by the way, with a total cost of $48,000 a year). Literally dozens of other schools are more expensive, including the vast majority of the top 100 liberal arts schools in the country, and a great number of top National Universities- Harvard fits very neatly into the list of tuitions.</p>

<p>This misconception is made far more ridiculous by the fact that Harvard's financial aid is incredibly generous. Harvard completely eliminates tuition for families making under $60,000 a year, and the tuition for families making $60,000 to $80,000 is very low (I think it's in the range of $2000 to $3000 a year, but I'm not positive). This means that if you're disadvantaged, it's probably easier to pay for Harvard than it is to pay for most other selective private universities in the country.</p>

<p>4)"It's hard to date at Harvard." Actually somewhat true. While I know a few people in comitted relationships within Harvard (and I'm in a relationship with a student at BU), from what I hear it's difficult to find relationships. I have no idea why, and I have no idea how it compares to other schools, but it's true. One advantage of going to school in Boston is that it's possible to have relationships with students from other schools, like MIT, Simmons, Northeastern... you know, the other sixty schools in the immediate area.</p>

<p>5)"Harvard students are nerds." Not true at all. There are a number of nerds, but (by definition) they tend to keep to themselves, so most people you interact with on any given day are socially very normal. Again, this perception can be fixed just by taking a trip to the campus.</p>

<p>6)"Harvard's easy once you get in." Geez, I wish.</p>

<p>If you choose an easy concentration (Government is often considered the easiest concentration) and take only easy classes, you can get by without doing much work (as is true of almost any college). However, most concentrations involve a TON of work with really difficult classes. I can only speak for myself- I'm taking almost entirely science and math classes, and the workload is really intense.</p>

<p>7)"The weather is crummy." Yup. Not going to deny it. It's in New England on the coast- it's pretty cold, it rains a good amount, and it's often foggy or muggy (I hear the spring is particularly horrible). This is true of a lot of colleges in the Northeast, of course, and each has its own issues with weather (I visited Dartmouth in January once. Yikes.).</p>

<p>Point is, if you want sunny weather and palm trees all year round, try California schools.</p>

<p>OK, I think that covers a lot of it... good to get that off my chest. I know the last thing all of you are interested in right now is whether you should go to Harvard once you're accepted (you're probably too focused on, well, getting accepted) so I'll shut up for now. In the future, though, if you have questions about these conceptions about Harvard, let me know.</p>

<p>To add to what Admiral said, I was basically avalanched with all of those stereotypes while I was in the Harvard application process, though I never believed any of them. When I went up though, and I met some actual students, I realized that none of them are true. The students there are absolutely fantastic people.</p>

<p>I think a lot of peopl hate Harvard simply because like all schools that strongly reagard legacies, athletics, and urm, there are some people with obvious advantages in the admissions process - namely people who might not get in without those advantages. Of course, there are many schools that do that, but few are as prestigious as Harvard or use those practices to such a degree. In short there is the boy with the rich daddy connotation when you say you go to Harvard.</p>

<p>I don't know that many people that hate Harvard. The ones who do are usually excellent students who get rejected for whatever reason. I don't - hell. I never even applied</p>

<p>Fully agree with Admiral and thefishofsorts. I am applying EA and I have already gotten some of the exact same responses from just saying that I am applying!! I avoid the topic (wish is silly) and have not even told some of my friends.</p>