Why do you think you got in to a "top" school?

Haven’t been on CC for a while and had this idea for a thread that I thought might be helpful for future applicants and just interesting to read in general. Basically just state why you think you got into the schools you did. Personally my list isn’t weighted but yours can be.

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[] Academics: Undeniable. Top scores, most rigorous coursework, all the jazz
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] EC’s: Not in the sense they where amazing, but I’ve noticed that a LARGE portion of admits where involved in the same clubs: TSA, FBLA, Mock Trial, Debate, Olympiads, or Obscure sports. I had three of those six.
[] LETTERS OF REC: During the Stanford admit weekend they actually read an excerpt from one of my letters during the welcome speech. Still haven’t stopped thanking them.
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] Essays: My admissions counselor actually only remmembered me after I said something about Philosophy then she said I was “the one who wrote about Socretes”
[li] Hooks: They exist. They’ve been aknowledged. Let’s not linger. Honestly though, I’ve noticed geographical is HUGE and not talked about nearly as much. One school all but told me that was a huge part in me getting in. It’s also a little funny how the spread was at other schools I visited. Seemed much more “quota” than race[/li][/ul]

All of the above, and a lot of luck.

Hard work puts a person in a better position to be lucky.

Interesting point on the geography - yes it has been shown that applicants from under represented states have a small hook. You still need to be a strong applicant though. Honestly unless you talk with the admissions counselor like you did, you’re really not going to know how you got in. Unless you have a hook (a scholarship athlete say, urm), it’s mostly a guess. The two AOs that read the app first clicked with something in there (essay, rec or unique EC say) and decide to move the app forward for consideration.

Personally get to know a teacher or two really, really well (and have them truly believe you are something special - not just “the best student in 10 years” but something special beyond how good a student you are). The quality of a recommendation letter from a teacher with that kind of relationship will send very strong signals to elite college adcoms.

All of the above - I was a heavily involved URM with good stats (nothing astronomical though), strong recs, and strong essays. However, at a scholarship day I was stopped by the lady that read my application, and she said my essay (which was fairly personal) was what really sold her on me.

1-4 (but no hooks).

Note on #2 - had ONE interesting EC that was themed throughout the entire app and a focus of all 4 years of high school and discussed in recommendations. No special other ECs, just normal stuff: sports, basic high school club membership.

  • Fantastic interview

Parent here.
S1 at Ivy, won “4 year award” for best social studies student throughout HS. Dept chair and multiple teachers have to nominate and they wrote a very nice award speech. Great essays. Took local college course, and as 16 year old performed far in excess of college age students. That gets a HS student a great “teacher rec”.

S2 it was hook/ec. Funny but geography can be a double edged sword. Yes colleges seek geo diversity, but athletic coaches do not. They mostly recruit local kids due to athletic recruiting budget limitations. We live in northeast, where my S2 could get in front of top academic college coaches and be noticed. If we were in Nebraska, tougher to do. Some do travel, but still limited unless a major team (Duke basketball I imagine does more extensive recruiting than any team at any Ivy). My son’s sport got him in front of ivy and major tech school coaches who expressed serious interest. Leadership role in career related intense EC while also being an athlete, got most serious interest from too tech schools, but H and Dart expressed interest too.

Everyone applying has good grades and SAT/ACT. Doing something special, and being able to communicate/demonstrate it is key.

In terms of geography, note that a decent number of elite privates have a home city/metro/state/region bias along with a diversity bias. Makes some sense when you remember that these schools have a strong incentive to keep the public officials of the cities/states where they own property (and in the case of Cornell, also receive state funding) happy.

Does Cal Regents count? If so I can happily share my story cause its kinda funny

@ANormalSeniorGuy I would say so. Would love to hear your story!

@LindsayHarvard ok sure basically after I was accepted early due to academics and the rest of the good letters of rec and decent essays, I would say that my main EC is what they liked: classical double bass. Now I had stuff for my major (econ/pre-haas) and some other stuff but the regents part is where it gets interesting.

I am walking into the main hall where all the regents kids had their interviews. I find out that I am slotted for a haas professor in finance, which is what I want to go into. However, my app looks very odd because I indicated I wanted to go into business as a music/econ major, so I was like three majors to this guy. I expected to be asked about financial stuff, the economy, but no we just talked about classical music. Even though he was EXTREMELY Russian, he hated Russian composers. So, naturally as a huge fan of Shostakovitch, I debated him to no end and I discussed why he is better than is predecessors and modern contemporaries. Luckily, I was smart enough to blend this discussion into other side tangents that would make me seem smart. Eventually, after that ended, the typical questions about the economy came out, and then eventually the idea of “imitation economies” was brought up, basically the idea that a country could copy the economy of another nation when building. Instead of going off of that, the conversation instead spiraled into musical imitation and eventually how all rap is simply an imitation of Dr. Dre/west coast rappers. As a rap fan, I naturally debated this as well and said that east coast rap is inherently different because it speaks on struggle rather than bravado. He then looked at his watch and realized we were out of time, and I’ll never forget what happened:

He looks at me panicked and asks me what other schools have I applied to/got accepted to. At the time it was early in the process, so i did not have impressive wins, but before I could say anything he simply said “ah it does not matter, I just have to prevent you from going there”. He said “follow me” and we walked to the highest authority in the building, basically stiff arming the next interviewee. Once we found the person he was looking for he asked her “hey, I had a great interview with this guy and I was wondering if we could decide on his scholarship right now, like right now”. Naturally, she said she could not do that and so he wrote a note about my interview and placed it into my file. All the while he said a joke and I nervously laughed and he laughed legitimately prompting the lady to say “its almost like you two know each other”, prompting more laughs from me and my interviewer. Once he was done, he shook my hand and said he had a wonderful time and was now going to get some food, and then straight up left. The lady stood there in shock, said that that never happened before, and took my resume and letters of rec.

Basically, what got me the scholarship (given the original criteria as @LindsayHarvard posted) was that my interviewer did not want me to go to another (im thinking he thought) better school, even though I never got one. Sorry for the long write up

I think my academics, class rank and standardized test scores were the major pull. Although I definitely think my essays and supplements also played a good part.

Parent to an ORM kid with no hooks from an over-represented region of CA. Didn’t think my kid had great GPAs (3.9 UW with 2 B+s in math courses) or test scores (33 ACT even though he made NMF in CA somehow). He did have some unique (nothing incredible though) out of school activities which were nicely focused – it ended up that way. I didn’t even think his essays were great (just good) but after he got into Stanford REA, I am thinking they must have been great; when I told the Stanford adcoms that my kid was lucky Stanford selected him, they said they think my kid would have gotten into other top schools also due to his essays. I doubt it but it was nice for them to say so. lol I did think though that his essays reflected who he really was. I think he got in because his recommendation letters and his essays convinced them he was a very genuinely nice and helpful person.

If someone asked me how my kid got into Stanford REA, my answer honestly, without fake humbleness, would be “I have no idea except Stanford really was his number 1 choice and he showed it in his application.”

This may NOT be a PC thing to say but I am surprised that adcoms at one of top schools in the nation thought my kid’s essays were one of tops among the submitted applications because my kid is NOT even a great writer. He’s not one of those kids who get As and A+s in his English writing assignments because he did not grow up speaking or writing in English. Maybe THIS fact is what persuaded Stanford that my kid has a lot of potential to progress.

Congrats to OP for going to Harvard by the way. If Harvard was in a location with a nicer weather, my kid would have applied. My kid and we are more excited about his receiving a study abroad scholarship to study another language during his gap year than going to college though.

Son applied last year. Pretty good, but not tippy top application. No hooks.

I thought his essay was great. It spoke to his dual loves of physics and art and their overlap in his doodling.

He intends to study physics, so he applied to science programs at his college choices. At one school, he also submitted an optional digital art portfolio…I think this must have made him stand out. That ended up being his only ‘reach’ acceptance. He’s very happy there today.

My D got into one Ivy and Duke (only two reaches she applied to). She got a note in with her Duke acceptance stating that the AO loved her commitment to XX. So, I guess that’s what got her in. Her essay was an interesting story about an incident that gave insight into what got her started down the road to her intended major and minor. She also had ECs that supported that interest.

I think it also helped that she pared down her other ECs to fit into two other areas: service (concentrated heavily on one community program) and the arts (included portfolio, and has a job that ties in as well). It showed focus, commitment, and accomplishment in a few concentrated areas.

I got rejected at NONE of the schools I applied to (all less than 40% acceptance rates, most less than 25%)- (accepted to 10/12, waitlisted at 2/12),. I’m currently committed to Brown, and I was also accepted at Northwestern and UC Berkeley, if we’re looking only at “top 20” schools. I have some idea why I got in.

I had really good test scores (above the 75th percentile for all of the schools I applied to). My GPA was decent (3.88 UW) and I had an amount APs. (10 by the end of senior year) My ECs were decent, and had a commitment to all of them - and most showed a commitment to journalism, which is what I want to go into. I wasn’t involved with Debate or Mock Trial, or really any competitive academics besides Speech. My hooks are that I was a first gen college student and the North Shore of Illinois places me at a geographical disadvantage more than anything else.

I think it was my essays and recs that got me in and set me apart, 100%. Recs and essays are crazy important, and imo, they should be put at a level closer to ECs in people’s (esp on this board) minds. I’m a strong writer and my recs were from teachers I had close relationships with and who really cared for me.

For D getting into UC Berkeley (in state): rigor was middle of the road (6 AP’s), gpa was very good (4.0 unweighted) as was class rank, ACT OK (31), EC’s (4 yrs varsity track, 2 years varsity tennis, 3 years mock trial, leadership positions in track and MT, finalist or winner in several digital arts contests, usual volunteerism), P/T job. I think it was her essays (she is a very good writer) and her letters of rec (1 from a teacher she had for several years, 1 from her mock trial coach) that made her stand out. No hooks.

BTW, only Ivy she applied to was Brown - rejected (WL at U of Chicago). Also got into UCLA.

I think my D got into her top 15 school for several reasons. Her grades, rigor, test scores (25-50%) and EC were normal high school… jv/varsity progression in sports (2) sports in high school, no orchestra, band or choir EC, no national awards, no National Merit awards… just a good, solid student. However, she really spent a lot of time getting to know the school she was most interested in attending. Met with several professors when she went to visit and made sure to interview on campus with the admissions office ( she is very conversational and comfortable discussing a wide range of topics… so even when the interviewer asked her “trick” questions she paused and took time to answer them thoroughly. Additionally, all of her essays reflected her passion for engineering and how she planned on pursuing that passion after graduation and eventually grad school. Finally, she got the chance to see one of her teacher recommendations… and wow! Her teacher really talked about her leadership skills, collaboration and work ethic in the classroom; speaking about specific things she did that really not only impressed her teacher but the other students in the classroom. It was a letter that I wish I had a copy of for her book. So for a kid that had absolutely no hooks the university saw something in her that they wanted on their campus…

A large degree of luck! It also helps if your essays “resonate” with the individuals reading your folder. They are human after all.