<p>party people run this sheeit. Name one prez who want an alcoholic?</p>
<p>kingb123: It's called fun, you pansy. Seriously, this is why you get *** for not drinking: you think you're better than everyon else because of it. Have you ever gotten drunk? I do at least twice and week (on weekends). You know why? It lets me be uninhibited, helps me get ass, and everything is just more interesting (I'm a high school senior btw). If you don't want to drink, don't go to college. Let someone FUN have your spot. *</p>
<p>Oh, shut the fook UP. </p>
<p>It's funny that you think someone who can enjoy living without getting wasted is immediately bland and deserving of your disdain. I have no problem with drinking--I've had sips of wine--but people like you who use alcohol as a substitute for personality and then bully others into sharing your lifestyle are, frankly, a-holes.</p>
<p>because it's fun. try it.</p>
<p>kingb: you first said that you are a high school senior. then you said you are going to an ivy league school.</p>
<p>unless there are now ivy league high schools, you are lying or drunk.</p>
<p>"Let some FUN have your spot?"</p>
<p>when did colleges add the requirement for a person to drink in order to go to college? </p>
<p>"Seriously, this is why you get **** for not drinking: you think you're better than everyon else because of it"</p>
<p>and you look down on people who don't drink as "pansy"?! you think YOU'RE better than everyone else because you get wasted?!</p>
<p>and whether it is fun or not. i can't say cuz i never been completely wasted and drunk.</p>
<p>but i haven't commited suicide from the lack of "fun" in my life yet. so i think it is humanly possible to have "fun" in life without alcohol. </p>
<p>but that also depends on your definition of "fun"</p>
<p>cali chinese girl, its possible to get into an ivy at this point.....sports</p>
<p>also lay off the guy, he was just trying to make a point, no use analyzing every word he said</p>
<p>There's a difference between having 1-3 drinks at a party and binge drinking until you do some combination of puke, act stupid, or pass out. Unfortunately, a lot of undergrads--particularly lower classmen--don't make the distinction. Why upperclassmen not so much? Or grad students not nearly so much? Think of it as Darwinism in action. Getting wasted is the waste of college experience, not its central tenet. </p>
<p>However, binge drinking is a serious problem everywhere from community colleges to the Ivy League schools. I think parental/societal attitudes are <em>partly</em> to blame. I like the European model better, where kids learn to drink at home with meals. Our D started having wine with meals when she was 12, starting with small amounts and moving up to a glass or sometimes two by her senior year...going off to college, alcohol was No Big Deal.</p>
<p>*TheDad: However, binge drinking is a serious problem everywhere from community colleges to the Ivy League schools. I think parental/societal attitudes are <em>partly</em> to blame. I like the European model better, where kids learn to drink at home with meals. Our D started having wine with meals when she was 12, starting with small amounts and moving up to a glass or sometimes two by her senior year...going off to college, alcohol was No Big Deal. *</p>
<p>Absolutely. My mom actually force-fed me wine when I was six and since then, we've had wine on birthdays, holidays, and the like. So the thrill of doing some illegal and forbidden is totally ruined for me, thank God. Drinking is neither a heinous immorality nor a chance to gEt WAstED Yah!21! to me, just a social thing to do around the table. Woo.</p>
<p>if you have to depend on alcohol to be social, that's just sad...</p>
<p>I agree with TheDad and jskim3487. Right now I'm over at Wake and friday nights are all about booze. Some of the kids here have "done" booze before, others don't have any idea what the hell they're doing. That being said, I do agree that the "forbidden fruit" side of alcohol should be taken away as TheDad and cookie suggested at an early age. I also agree with jskim3487, to an extent, in that I find it sometimes stupid to solely have a drink so that you can be social. Maybe this isn't coming out right, I'll try again, if the only way you can have fun or you-know-what, the only way you can go and talk to a girl, the thing you focus on at college, that is sad. I'm not a heavy drinker and I often don't drink much socially, I find it to be too stereotypical and superficial. Eh, I'm rambling with my half-dead brain, back to studing for finals :-).</p>
<p>drink resonsibly and u'll be alrite</p>
<p>Emsibdn touches implicitly on another social point related to drinking: sex. A lot of guys don't think they can get sex without it, either fortifying their own nerve or to reduce a woman's inhibitions. And I'd guess that a fair number of women need alcohol as a crutch to lower their inhibitions to feel okay about having sex. The cynic in me thinks that part of the college education for a fair number of people is learning to have sex without needing to get drunk first. </p>
<p>Fortunately I'm only cynical every third day.</p>
<p>IvyLeagueChamp: and presumably one will type and spell better when one is sober.</p>
<p>Not to sound dumb...but how can you say you don't want to drink if you've never been drunk? You really do act like people who drink are immoral or something...</p>
<p>i don't think people who drink are immoral at all. however, i do think that people who drink AND drive are immoral but that is not the point of this thread.</p>
<p>i have friends who drink and gets drunk. they are great people. i have friends who had sex already. it is not something i would do, but i don't consider it immoral.</p>
<p>i just never care much for drinking. my parents never put any boundary on me and warn me about drinking. when i asked to try my dad's beer, he laughed and watched me spit it back out (i was 8). when i asked to try wine with my mom at home cuz the lady at the store won't let me try, she didn't have a problem with it. that's why i am not going to go out of my way in college to get drunk. if i do, i do. if i don't, i don't. actually, out of my group of friends, they said i would most likely to get drunk in college. lol. i doubt i need alcohol to act drunk. </p>
<p>sure, getting drunk is fun. but why do people think just because people don't get drunk, they are NOT having fun? i guess that's what i wondering...</p>
<p>I think people who like to drink and party consider it like the best way of having fun...so they think that people who don't do it aren't having fun...</p>
<p>NickyJane, you can decide you don't want to drink [much or at all] if you've never been drunk if you've observed people who are. Try being the only sober person at a gathering of heavy drinking...it may be educational. People who are not drunk are seldom as clever, funny, smart, sexy, or socially brilliant as they think they are. The point about people being drunk is that it reduces the level more or less equally. See also, the bumper sticker that says "Drink until she's [he's] cute."</p>
<p>Now, pushing this argument is like pushing on a string. I certainly had a few unfortunate drunks myself in my college days, particularly freshman year. Doesn't mean it was a good idea. And there were a few times in my life when I drove under the influence and really shouldn't have...I was very very very lucky in hindsight.</p>
<p>I still drink, btw, but very seldom more than two drinks in an evening.</p>
<p>Btw, there's a transition that many people go through from where drinking is having fun to having a drink or two being something you do while having fun.</p>
<p>I'm always around drunken sailors and I feel very uncomfortable around them. I also see it as a waste of money. Yesterday these three guys in my platoon spent $80 at Applebee's just on beer.</p>
<p>I believe TheDad nailed it again. Especially the part about drinking in order to have fun versus drinking being a small part in a social activity, not the focus. I prefer not to drink a lot socially because, eh, I feel it's not for me.</p>
<p>Yes, I agree with you, it isn't fun being around drunk people when you aren't drunk...that is why non-drinkers don't tend to go to a lot of parties generally speaking.</p>
<p>Moreover, I am able to have a casual glass of wine with dinner just as well as the next chic. My parents almost always serve either wine or champagne, and I often partake during the course of the evening. No, I do not get drunk at these times.</p>
<p>That said, I honestly don't think you can say you don't EVER want to drink without having ever done so...obviously I have no control over others decisions, and if they want to make a healthier choice, good for them. </p>
<p>But lets face it, people in college party. People in college binge drink and act stupid and have fun (and we wouldn't want it any other way). Period.</p>
<p>When I visited my d. for parent's, we went out and bought a good bottle of wine for her to share with friends on her 17th birthday. I took her into the store, and we asked lots of questions of the manager, told him what snacks she was planning to serve (red lumpfish caviar on toasts), and what the price range was, and what she had previously tried.</p>
<p>I never worry about my kids drinking and driving - they are too smart for that. I DO worry about them getting into a car with someone else who has been drinking, and since the age of 10, they have gotten "the lecture" on that subject at least twice a year. My d. knows that if she finds herself in such a situation, I will pay DOUBLE what it costs her to get home without getting into a drinking driver's car.</p>
<p>I don’t know why so many people were being negative towards you. You just said you don’t drink, but everyone else is taking it as if you are morally condemning them. To drink or not is just a choice, done for many reasons. Especially crazy are arguments of ‘doing it to rebel.’ How can you rebel against something that almost everyone else is doing. Not drinking is the rebellion, and I think that’s probably the main reason for the hostility. You and everyone else who doesn’t drink is just going against the grain of society, and there’s bound to be frictions.</p>
<p>But if you want to go to a baseball game, don’t watch the Cubs. There’s a reason why the unofficial slogan is ‘shut up and drink your beer’.</p>