<p>Haha, Penn St...funny...I think we have a UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA basher on our hands...lol</p>
<p>It just goes to show that some are beginning to fear the Quaker...lol</p>
<p>Certainly the Ivies are great schools, but too often people want to go to the Ivies only because they are viewed as the ultimate recognizable brand names (prestige/status, etc.) and we are a brand name society.</p>
<p>Keep in mind though that the schools are very different. Ivy League literally just refers to that these schools, early on, formed an athletic league-The Ivy League- that is how/why they first linked together and that is there common bond. It is impossible for me to believe that you would get any better education at an Ivy member school then at any number of schools, who are every bit their equal IMO e.g. Duke, Rice, Stanford, Amherst, Williams, Pomona, Swarthmore, etc., etc.</p>
<p>It is pretty simple, HYP along with stanford, MIT and caltech is a brand name that will open doors for you. Getting into HYP shows that u are the best at what u do(student's job is to study) for your generation. Anybody who is decently hardworking and smart can get in upenn, cornell, brown, chicago, berkeley and the like with a little bit of luck, but getting into HYP is much harder, anybody applying to college should know this. </p>
<p>going to HYP guarantees you a bright future(good job, grad school, certain income making ability), the same cannot be said about schools like cornell, berkeley, chicago.</p>
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<p>Going to HYP guarantees you nothing. My father is a Harvard graduate and is currently an unemployed, divorced jerk.</p>
<p>The question is, is it merely the fact that someone attended HYP that "guarentees" them a bright future, or is it that many of the students that attend HYP are extremely driven/hardworking, and they would succeed no matter where they attend university?</p>
<p>""going to HYP guarantees you a bright future(good job, grad school, certain income making ability), the same cannot be said about schools like cornell, berkeley, chicago."'</p>
<p>Dethinker, you are extremely naive. Do you happen to be one of those 8th graders that lurk around here all day long? Three of the teachers at my public school alone are harvard grads. How much do you think they make? One of the things many people don't realize is that at HYP there are alot of undergrads that come out disappointed because they expect their 4-year degree ALONE to carry them--BIG mistake. </p>
<p>Prestige is very important, but you have to include grad school and such. As a side note, many employers(some as naive as you) group all the Ivy league schools into one bunch and don't care which one you went to. Saying that Cornell doesn't offer as much opportunities is bogus--look at their admit rates to med school and to prestigious grad schools(yes, even Harvard)</p>
<p>You have no idea how the world works. Look at all the presidents and politicians. They graduated from HYP with averages in the 70's (C's and D's). What they did in undergrad did'nt mean jack. Aim high, but don't go thinking HYP is a one way ticket to heaven</p>
<p>LOL! I just remembered something hilarious.</p>
<p>I have a stereotypical asian dad who wants me to get into an ivy. failing that, he wants me to get into other big name schools like MIT, Caltech, Stanford, UC Berkeley, etc.</p>
<p>I once asked him if he knew what the Ivy League really was, and what he said just completely cracked me up:</p>
<p>"Charlie, the Ivy League is a band of 8 schools that probably banded together to uphold a high standard of education here in the U.S."</p>
<p>I cracked up and couldn't stop laughing for the next half an hour.</p>
<p>He wouldn't believe me when I told him that the Ivy League was actually an athletic league, and he wouldn't believe me until he looked it up. How hilarious is that?</p>
<p>I will in a few weeks be beginning at Columbia. Last year, I only applied to 3 of the 8 Ivies (Columbia, Yale and Penn) because those were the only three that fit me. I toured Brown and didn't really like it and when I visited Harvard I just got a negative gut feeling.</p>
<p>What people have to remember is that the majority of the students at Ivy League schools did not choose to go there specifically because they are in the Ivy League. We chose our schools because they offered the level of academic rigor that we wanted as well as matched our personality, ambitions and social life qualities the best of any other school in the country. Each school has a certain personality and the students that go to each respective school are admitted and attend because we will attempt to hold up the long standing traditions and personalities and each of the respective schools.</p>
<p>And as College<em>Here</em>I_Come! stated, the Ivy League is just an athletic conference. Nothing more than that.</p>
<p>I hope that everyone on this board takes advice with a grain of salt and does not get intimidated by what they see. Some of it is fake. Some of it may be real, and in that case, it is just 1 person.</p>
<p>I also hope that people on this board do their own independent research into the colleges they apply to. I guarantee that you can find your dream list of schools with a few hours of research.</p>
<p>Best of luck to all of you and I wish you the best when it comes to your college applications.</p>
<p>-Jaug1
Columbia College, Class of 2009</p>
<p>megodspeaking is baba, the guy who came up with UC Palo Alto(Stanford) & CUNY Harlem(Columbia)</p>
<p>The topic was about the entire Ivy League, and even though all of those schools are top notch, they also have a bunch of peer institutions that are usually affiliated with them. I think the bias is for schools that are considered the top by rankings like US News, which make people look at nothing but the top schools even though there are plenty that are good which aren't ranked that high. I also think the "Ivy Leage" tag is alteast a good way for people to begin looking at what top colleges they may apply to, and also to look at similar schools.</p>
<p>more personal attacks on this eighth grader, joy. saying your teachers went to HYP as if teaching is a bad profession. whatever, u can goto some third tier state school and find your happiness there.</p>
<p>You really are an eight grader. I can understand your thinking because I use to be like you. </p>
<p>Anyway, I'm applying to Cornell and Stanford because I like their atmosphere and personality.Why won't I apply to HYP? Because I wouldn't be as happy there. You need to really like a place if you plan to use 4 years of your life there. </p>
<p>Teaching is not a bad profession, but when three harvard undergrads work as teachers at my public school(competitive and well known), they make around 40-50K a year and have to deal with a lot of stress. Is this your ideal job?</p>
<p>teachers make much more than 40-50 k ayear, especially when they have a master's degree. some teachers at magnet public high schools make 6 figure salaries and have phD degrees. btw, i'm older than u in this college game.</p>
<p>dethinker, depends where they are teachers. I work in a rural public high school in TN and, with 18 years in and a Master's, I barely make $40,000. This is quite typical in many areas of the country.</p>
<p>Wake up kid, no nyc public high school teacher makes 6 digit salary, besides the principals, higher positions, etc. Almost all highschool teachers require a masters degree, with the exception of maybe health teachers. Once again you have no idea of what you are talking about. </p>
<p>"btw, i'm older than u in this college game."</p>
<p>Lol, you'll see when your time comes. have fun kiddo:)</p>
<p>This is funny. My mother has a PhD in English and ended up teaching remedial reading at an elementary school here for about $10 an hour. Makes me kind of rethink wanting to go through all the trouble of Harvard.</p>
<p>Hey dethinker, have mercy. The poor guy obviously has issues to deal with...he spelled his own condition incorrectly (agoraphobic)</p>
<p>tkm, for the millionth time my username is not a real condition. It was the name I used for my 6th grade project on Top ten diseases that dont exist. People have pm'ed me about it, now you know.</p>
<p>Agoraphobia is a real disease. It's a chemical imbalance in the brain that causes people to feel irrational fear and anxiety. See, people seem to think that mental diseases don't exist, because they themselves can't fathom being out of control. But people with such conditions cannot comprehend rationality during an attack, as normal people do. It's just like with eating disorders; people think they're fabricated, but they are very, very real. People without it may abuse the name, which gives the impression it's just an excuse, but there are actual medical cases.</p>
<p>And I knew your username wasn't a description of your actual condition, because as I stated before, you would have known how to spell it.</p>
<p>"Anybody who is decently hardworking and smart can get in upenn, cornell, brown, chicago, berkeley and the like "</p>
<p>acceptance %:</p>
<p>Cornell:29%
Berkeley:25%
Upenn:21%
Brown:17%</p>
<p>According to dethinker 83-71% of the students that applied to these Universities were not even DECENTLY HARDWORKING or DECENTLY SMART.</p>