Why DON'T You Want An Ivy League Education?

<p>An Ivy League school would never cost $55,000 in the first place. Look at Princeton, which costs ~$36,000 for tuition and room/board combined, at no more than $45,000 after tax without any sort of financial aid (which is rare though).</p>

<p>But regarding your example of $20,000/yr for a supposedly $55,000, that is completely dependent upon your financial situation. If your parents are making $200,000 per year, why not? It’s not like that person would receive FA from any other schools esp. state flagships and it’s not like paying $30,000 per year would affect him or her. That person simply does not need FA nor would he or she be provided any at any school. Actually low, there ARE people who are more than capable of paying the full tuition, but the Ivy League schools make their lives easier and understand that money is still money, and those people still receive FA. Try applying for FA at public schools with that income bracket. What will you get? Nilch. None. Most state flagships won’t even give you FA except when based on merit. </p>

<p>If your parents do not make that much money, say $60,000 per year, Ivy League schools have also yet again proved the best in providing FA and making attendance happen. Most middle-income families pay only a little per year at Ivy League schools whereas at most state flagships, those families would have to pay the same or even more. If you cannot afford the $36000+ per year, the Ivy League schools will make your attendance happen. I’ve seen a lot of people have to give up their admissions to state flagships such as University of Texas, UVA, etc. and attend local community colleges instead because they were too expensive, as in those schools did not offer any FA. A lot of state flagships are going under ruin today because of the economic recession. They have failed to provide FA to a majority of their applicants because of lack of fundings and endowments. Ivy League is still the most superior when making college and attendance to their schools happen - that is, if you can even get into their schools. The connections you acquire, the people you meet, and the education you receive at Ivy League schools dominates those of state flagships. Saying that that is not so is like saying a degree from the University of Florida is the same as a degree from Harvard which is just preposterous.</p>

<p>Nope, your statement about poor undergrad research opportunities at Ivy League Universities is also incorrect. Take a look: <a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/undergrad-research-programs[/url]”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/undergrad-research-programs&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Rule out all the private colleges (Harvey Mudd, Pomona, etc.) and you’ll see that the number of public universities is pretty much the same as the Ivy Leagues as well as Stanford & MIT (HYPSM). There’s Harvard, Princeton, Yale, UPenn, and Duke. </p>

<p>And for the overrated thing, that is, as I already said, subjective. I personally think that public universities are overrated because that is what everyone at my schools wants to attend, a state flagship - a UC or CSU school (I live in California). They get the minimum grades needed for ELC as long as they get into some place like UC Irvine, UC Riverside or UC Santa Barbara automatically, and participate in few meager and quite mundane extracurriculars which would not allowed them to be admitted in Ivy League schools. You also don’t need more than 2100 on the SAT to be admitted to most public universities, which I find sad because I’m a sophomore with a 2200+ SAT. They don’t volunteer or pursue some passion, just sitting on their lazy asses studying for the next test and, like living from check to check as adults would do, live from grade to grade. C+? No problem for them! As long as they pass! </p>

<p>Face it, you need better stats for Ivies, which requires hard work, wit, and skill. A high school student who grows through all this will be a better member of society and better prepared for the future in the long run. Go compare any Ivy Leaguer with a student at a state flagship and you will see this difference. I admire Ivy League students because of their passion and acumen, something you will not see most of the time at public institutions.</p>

<p>As for the education at Ivy League themselves, you are false about them not being as good as public schools. There is a cornucopia of internships and internationally renowned professors at Ivy League schools, who are much more respected and knowledgeable than your typical, everyday state college professor. There are more majors and classes to choose from without the worry of classes being cut or being overly massive.</p>

<p>Yale Sex Week, No Merit Aid, Northeast (too cold)…</p>

<p>I wouldn’t say I have a bad attitude towards them…I just don’t think its for me. Recent studies have shown that it doesnt matter where you go for undergrad college. I even read something in USA TODAY this afternoon about how ivy league graduates aren’t getting jobs. The truth it, in the economy we have today, no college graduate is going to get a high paying job unless the go to graduate school. I also think cost is an issue for many, ivy leagues tend to give out little aid and i wouldn’t personally take out a loan for college, only for grad or law school.</p>

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<p>You sound terribly naive. This is the kind of contempt and elitism that gives Ivy Leaguers a bad rep.</p>

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<p>You’re getting into stereotypes and generalizations here. I’m certain there are students at public universities who are just as passionate and driven, if not moreso, than their Ivy League counterparts.</p>

<p>They are all on the freaking east coast…and frankly I don’t want to go that far lol. However I think they are great for some people, but personally getting a “top notch” or “name brand” education couldn’t make up for the fact that I believe I would lose relationships and connections I greatly value because of the distance. (I live in OK btw)</p>

<p>none of the ivy league schools have ever caught my eye…which was probably a good thing, because i don’t think i could get in to any haha</p>

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A penny saved is a penny earned.

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<p>Citation, please.</p>

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<p>Hi. Have you met [Financial</a> Aid & Scholarships - College Confidential](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/financial-aid-scholarships/]Financial”>Financial Aid and Scholarships - College Confidential Forums)? I think you and it should have a chat. Actually, you and the pages of students whose parents make $200k+ before taxes and yet can’t manage to spend $50k on school. </p>

<p>Then you can come back and lecture about how it’s affordable.</p>

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<p>Selection bias.</p>

<p>I’m just a bigger fan of the LACs. I <3 Pomona.</p>

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<p>Yes, and I am sure the same thing can be said about a student at community college.</p>

<p>Fact is, the <em>average</em> student in an Ivy League university will be smarter than the <em>average</em> student at a state flagship university.</p>

<p>Grisam, I think that depends on how you define “smart”. Undoubtedly, an average Ivy Leaguer’s SAT and GPA will exceed that of a state university attendee. But I don’t think those are the only measures of intelligence.</p>

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Obviously we’re not talking about social ability or “street smarts”. Even if you don’t believe in IQ tests, I think we could all agree that the average Ivy League attendee would be academically smarter than the average state uni. attendee.</p>

<p>Yepp, I concur.</p>

<p>This is nice.
I mean, I’m aiming for a few of those Ivies, still, it proves that an Ivy League education has its cons.
People who are almost bashing the Ivies sound a little bitter, however people who depend the schools have a flaw too- not all of them go to an Ivy League University, so how would they know?</p>

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<p>Citation, please.</p>

<p>Too cold up there. :)</p>

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<p>stidegumisbest
Princeton </p>

<p>it varies among each ivy, but you would pretty much get a full scholarship. my parents make about 35,000 a year, and the fin aid i got from the ivies were greatt. i would only have to pay a couple thousand if i went to any of the ivies i got into (princeton, dartmouth, cornell). so they definitely make it very affordable. </p>

<p>3togo</p>

<p>The Ivies give just about the best financial aid you can receive among schools that use the profile. There are a couple big caveats to that statement. The Ivies do not give any merit aid or athletic scholarships so schools that do may well be able to make their cost of attendence lower than an IVY. Second, I specifically mentioned profile schools and getting among the best financial aid from an IVY. For some families in some situations schools that only use the FAFSA calculaion of EFCs may provide better aid (a divorced family where the custodian parents makes much less income than the non-custodial parent for example) … however in most cases schools that use the FAFSA EFC do not meet 100% of demonstrated need so even the favorable FAFSA EFC might not yield more financial aid than an Ivy would. </p>

<p>RedRoses
For the typical low income family, HYPS give aid that is simply the best in the world. It will cost you less than any state school and most community colleges. You will graduate debt free. If you get in, you will be taken care of. </p>

<p>I guess it’s not just me then.</p>

<p>I desire an Ivy. I desire to get the **** out of my state. Every person I hated in HS will go to at least 1 instate school.</p>

<p>So are you guys saying that an average student from let’s say Brown will be smarter than a average student from UC Berkeley. Just because a student has a high SAT score and GPA does not mean that student is highly intelligent, it may just mean s/he knows how to take the SAT, and memorize for a class. The same way that a student at a state school is isn’t below average academically. </p>

<p>Now I am not an Ivy League basher, they do give great financial aid, and give a great education. But, I don’t plan to apply to one for undergrad. I do want to go to Harvard Medical School, because they give a great education.</p>