Why DON'T You Want An Ivy League Education?

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<p>You want a damn citation? Fine.</p>

<p>Let’s look at every possible measurer of intelligence and compare them. </p>

<p>-SAT/ACT scores (which [url=<a href=“http://www.mensafoundation.org/Content/AML/NavigationMenu/Join/SubmitTestScores/QualifyingTestScores/QualifyingScores.htm]are[/url”>http://www.mensafoundation.org/Content/AML/NavigationMenu/Join/SubmitTestScores/QualifyingTestScores/QualifyingScores.htm]are[/url</a>] accepted by Mensa)</p>

<p>Rutgers University
SAT Critical Reading: 530 - 630
SAT Math: 560 - 680
SAT Writing: 540 - 640</p>

<p>Unreported percentile.</p>

<p>University of Florida
SAT Critical Reading: 570 - 680
SAT Math: 590 - 700
SAT Writing: No scores available.
ACT Composite: 25 - 30</p>

<p>76% in top 10th of graduating class</p>

<p>Hell, let’s even look at the UCs.</p>

<p>University of California, Los Angeles
SAT Critical Reading: 570 - 680
SAT Math: 600 - 730
SAT Writing: 580 - 700
ACT Composite: 24 - 31</p>

<p>97% in top 10th of graduating class</p>

<p>University of California, Berkeley
SAT Critical Reading: 590 - 710
SAT Math: 640 - 760
SAT Writing: 610 - 720</p>

<p>98% in top 10th of graduating class</p>

<p>Brown University
SAT Critical Reading: 650 - 760
SAT Math: 670 - 780
SAT Writing: 660 - 770
ACT Composite: 28 - 33</p>

<p>92% in top 10th of graduating class</p>

<p>Cornell University
SAT Critical Reading: 630 - 730
SAT Math: 660 - 770
SAT Writing: None available.
ACT Composite: 29 - 33</p>

<p>86% in the top 10% of their graduating class.</p>

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<p>By that logic, the people with from state universities should all have the capability to get a high SAT score and have a strong GPA, right? </p>

<p>So why didn’t they?</p>

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<p>That should be read as</p>

<p>"Let’s look at possible measures of intelligence and compare them. </p>

<p>-SAT/ACT scores (which are accepted by Mensa)
-Class rank"</p>

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<p>"Why DON’T You Want An Ivy League Education? </p>

<p>Does anyone here NOT want to go Ivy? "</p>

<p>By this, are you thinking that there is some common program of studies/curriculum uniquely applicable to all of these particular eight universities? "Cause there isn’t.
I don’t really know what an “Ivy League education” is.</p>

<p>There are other selective colleges, besides these eight.
There are other Northeast colleges, besides these eight.
There are other similarly sized universities, besides these eight.</p>

<p>Not that these eight are completely identical in these regards either, or offer the exact same courses and programs of study, in their entirety.</p>

<p>The main thing truly unique to them as a group is their NCAA sports conference. And that’s not something that would attract many people to these eight schools.</p>

<p>But there’s lots of reasons someone might not want to apply to some or all of these particular eight colleges. They are all considered “good” schools, but they have no monopoly on that. Plus not everyone matches up with such environment. Many people care about fit, and there are people for whom some or all of these particular eight schools don’t fit that well.</p>

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<p>All the Ivy League is an athletic conference of 8 schools. :O</p>

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<p>Haha at MIThopeful</p>

<p>but if i went to an ivy- i would treat it like any other school, except it has the name “ivy” on it…kinda like soda, we all would like pepsi but if we got the grocery store brand its okay, and some people think it tastes the same, others think pepsi is better, or vice versa</p>

<p>i mean i feel like its a glass of soda, whatever is inside, no matter what brand it is, it is still soda</p>

<p>i mean if i go to an ivy- it has the ivy name on it- but ill treat it like its clemson or something, u may ask why i wanna go ivy then…well who wouldnt want to upgrade to pepsi?</p>

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<p>^ So you’re saying a Law degree from Harvard would be the same as from Chico State? Lolololol.</p>

<p>You learn and get a lot more from an Ivy League education, trust me. The connections and people you meet and receive as well as the internship and research opportunities are just as impeccable.</p>

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<p>There are other elite schools that are considered as such, but do not play sports in the Ivy league.</p>

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<p>You want some damn refutation? Fine.</p>

<p>Those scores stopped being accepted in the 80s and 90s. Probably because everyone realized they were not an indication of intelligence.</p>

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<p>They seem somewhat cutthroat/competitive. I’m more fond of intimacy and collaborative learning.</p>

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<p>I’ve never really understood the infatuation with the Ivy League. I mean if it’s prestige you want, there are plenty of non-Ivy schools that are higher ranked and more prestigious than some of the Ivies. But whatever. My top choice school does happen to be in the Ivy League, so I can’t hate.</p>

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<p>Just apply to Stanford.
'nuff said =]</p>

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Trust you? Someone who, from what I can tell, is not a current or past student at any university, let alone an Ivy. </p>

<p>The only person I’d trust in this regard is someone who has extensive connections into both an Ivy League School and a university of similar stature not in the Ivy League. Ideally the person would have attended both as undergrads, although this is rare. </p>

<p>If you represent the typical Ivy League student (doubtful, although I’ve heard Ivy students are, on average, more pretentious), count me out.</p>

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<p>SAT scores haven’t been accepted by Mensa since '94. ACT scores haven’t been since '89.</p>

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<p>I wont fit in socially.I cant talk about playing golf in Monaco or yacht cruises.</p>

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<p>I’ve never considered myself on par for any of the Ivy League schools. I mean, I’m probably one of the smartest kids in my grade, but I am by no means smart enough and haven’t participated in enough ECs to ever attend an Ivy. A 1370/2010 and some clubs / community service are not gonna get me in. XD</p>

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<p>Okay then.</p>

<p>Show me evidence that an average student at a state school is better than an average student at an Tier 1 school.</p>

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<p>Grisam is right. The stats of an average student at a state school simply cannot compare to those of an average student at an Ivy League school. To say this is not so is libelizing and ungrounded.</p>

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<p>Yeah I think it’s pretty clear that a Harvard undergrad will have a higher SAT score than a student across the state at UMass Amherst.</p>

<p>But I don’t think that answers the OP’s question of why someone wouldn’t want an Ivy League Education. Is your argument that someone SHOULD want an Ivy League education so they can be surrounded by people with higher SAT scores? lol</p>

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<p>We are not debating about the OP’s question. We are debating about a statement that stemmed off from a previous post.</p>

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<p>Damn, why are you guys even on this. </p>

<p>my two cents: Ivy leagues are prestigious and thus they attract academically talented students. I don’t believe that necessarily means that Ivy league schools have better programs. Instead, I find it very possibly that since Ivy leagues are able to attract talented students, due to their prestige, that those talented students are the ones who are able to make the most out of their education, despite how “good” it actually is.</p>