<p>This is about college, not Heaven. And it’s not the californiaaa thread. k? Every thread, you come back to the same thing- how you know something or somebody, like this or don’t like that, you share misinfo- and you’ve got a snowflake you will package. Indeed, parents gone crazy.</p>
<p>Btw, Stanford Online is not a hook. </p>
<p>@californiaaa Just as a point of clarification, when I said, “If they have a student sitting in front of them, just as a human being, they need to know that the student brings more to the table than good grades”, the human being I was referring to was the interviewer – not the candidate. The point is that real people, with all their faults and frailties, are indeed doing the evaluating. While the interviewer only has a small part in the process, other human beings are doing this. You don’t even accept that role from the adcom? Oh, dear, geez Louise…</p>
<p>I’ve worked a few jobs over my life, and it is very clear to me that the people with whom I interview are surely evaluating me. I am evaluated at least twice a year formally, and many times in a day, probably, informally. I’m not sure of the world you live in, but it is clearly not the one in which I wander. I’m with @GA2012MOM and calling bs on your posts. You’ve gone into silliness now, and I don’t usually do well with that. Are we sure you’re not a ■■■■■?</p>
<p>I like the comment about Heaven, lookingforward…</p>
<p>I read some of these posts and shake my head. What happens to this craziness after the child has graduated from college? Where do these parents channel their obsessiveness - into the perfect grad school or the ideal job? What if a child chooses a spouse who isn’t of the highest-caliber? Does all this craziness eventually funnel down to grandchildren?</p>
<p>Sometimes it seems never-ending…</p>
<p>@lookingforward “Stanford Online is not a hook.”</p>
<p>I know. Stanford online gives a great education, but great education is not a hook :)))) BTW, physical disability is not a hook either. The fact that my D. is ESL is a hook, which is hard for me to understand. </p>
<p>And I need a professional college counselor to help my D with college application. Because college application is not a rocket science, it is much harder. </p>
<p>I think it helps to explain why parents gone crazy about college admission. </p>
<p>Grades, education, AP classes - not a hook
Advanced online classes - not a hook
Disability - not a hook</p>
<p>Race - hook
Gender - hook
Sexual orientation - hook
Lack of parent’s education - hook
Stable family - anti hook
Parents in prison - excellent hook
Athlete - hook (why athletic abilities are important in college, but academic abilities are least important in professional sport?)</p>
<p>Olympiads - only hook that I admire.</p>
<p>@scout59 </p>
<p>There is no obsessiveness. Again, if my D. can’t excel in math Olympiad, I understand it and admire winners.</p>
<p>It is difficult to stay clam, when you see that college admission process is fundamentally unfair. When admission is based on many factors, that are outside of the scope of your child’s achievements. </p>
<p>"This is about college, not Heaven. "</p>
<p>If college is not that important, why do we have never-ending battles around affirmative action in college admission? </p>
<p>@PTigerMomAlum </p>
<p>I hope that at work you are evaluated on your job-related performance. I hope you are not evaluated (twice a year) holistically, on your “hooks”. </p>
<p>“The fact that my D. is ESL is a hook”
ESL is NOT a “hook” either!
A “hook” these days is being a recruited athlete, being the child of a tenured professor at the college, or having parents that have contributed millions of dollars to a college. In some cases being a national award winner or a URM with great grades ,SAT’s and coveted talents can be smaller a hook at certain colleges looking to increase their diversity. </p>
<p>You REALLY need to get a good college counselor asap. Hopefully they can help straighten you out because you have many false impressions about the college application process.</p>
<p>@californiaaa, the thing is that some students want to be at a school where there is a diversity of backgrounds and talents. Not just with the top scorers on exams. Not all learning is from books and tests.</p>
<p>"Are we sure you’re not a ■■■■■? "</p>
<p>No, I am not a ■■■■■. In fact, I am surprised that so many parents internalized “holistic approach” and find it fair.</p>
<p>Holistic approach was originally designed to limit the number of Jews in top universities. Currently it is used to limit the number of Asians. Orwellian. “equal opportunity through reverse discrimination”. </p>
<p>@californiaaa, I find it interesting that you feel your daughter will be disadvantaged somehow at holistic schools. A female URM who is talented at STEM is highly valued by these schools.</p>
<p>@mathyone,</p>
<p>And some students want to be at the schools with top students. Because it is a pleasure to study alongside intellectual prowess. Not all learning is from books and tests. </p>
<p>My D. is currently in the class with over 90% Asians. And it is perfectly fine. And she likes it. </p>
<p>If a student wants diversity, why not Community College? </p>
<p>californiaaa, I’m afraid you’re being more illustrative than explanatory when it comes to the topic of this thread.</p>
<p>My daughter wants to be at a school with top students. She also wants to be at a school with diversity. She wants to go to student productions and see really talented kids perform. She wants to make friends with internationals from various countries, not just China or India. All part of an education.</p>
<p>California- you need to step out of your daughter’s way or your misinfo will do her harm. You do not understand hooks, have it wrong. Wrong. You say anything, anything, to get us to respond. That is ■■■■■. if you want to prove otherwise, get accurate.<br>
Let’s not feed this further.</p>
<p>Look at all her posts here and accelerating. Seems an attempt to thow out whatever and see what “sticks,” what gets a rise out of us. Little changed since a new poster. Trolling.</p>
<p>Oh I think Californiaaa is completely serious.</p>
<p>As far as gender being a hook, my daughter doesn’t want to be among a tiny minority of girls in her classes. I would guess most of the boys feel the same way on that issue.</p>
<p>@mathyone
"She wants to go to student productions and see really talented kids perform. She wants to make friends with internationals from various countries, not just China or India. " </p>
<p>Why does it all have to be in college? </p>
<p>If I want to see a theatrical production, I’ll go to a theater. If I want to meet people from various countries - I have plenty of opportunities. Diversity of backgrounds? Church is great for it. </p>
<p>College is for professional education. Job is for work. I don’t worry about diversity in my workplace (I am not for it, I am not against it. I don’t care). If my coworker is a dependable professional - great! Why should I judge his/her background or color of skin? I don’t care. </p>
<p>Yes, I am completely serious. My D is currently in 90+% Asian HS school and I don’t see anything wrong with it.</p>
<p>When she applied to Stanford online school, she had lots of embracing “background” questions. However, the kids in her “holistic” online class are not as smart or dedicated as in her HS. So much to the value of diversity … </p>
<p>“You do not understand hooks, have it wrong. Wrong.”</p>
<p>Correct me. Which hook did I get wrong? </p>
<p>Haha def a ■■■■■.</p>