<p>According to the latest US News, the admit rate at Brown was 14% and at Dartmouth 13%.</p>
<p>So the higher number of apps at Cornell than Dartmouth could be explained by the broader curriculum at Cornell. How about between Cornell and Penn? What explains Cornell’s higher apps?</p>
<p>IBclass06-
Dartmouth has engineering and 18,130 apps. Cornell A&S plus Engineering apps = 24,000.</p>
<p>"what’s the acceptance rate for Cornell CAS? "
I’ve read on CC 16% most recent, haven’t seen anything offical myself though.</p>
<p>“How about between Cornell and Penn? What explains Cornell’s higher apps?”
Same thing, seems to me, more/different colleges & areas of study. Wharton & nursing, vs, the other 5 colleges at Cornell.</p>
<p>“Dartmouth has engineering…,”
How to say this… Suffice it to say that people highly interested in engineering might be more likely to have Cornell on their must-apply list for this discipline than Dartmouth . While a subset might find Dartmouth’s program and setting in a liberal arts college highly desirable, this would not be likely to result in an equal volume of applications, overall, by those interested in this field.</p>
<p>Dartmouth’s engineering isn’t a separate school like at Cornell - its a major just like at Borwn, Harvard, and Yale. You have to account for that. Its not apples to apples. There are like 1/10th the amount of engineers at Dartmouth vs. Cornell.</p>
<p>“its a major just like at Borwn, Harvard, and Yale. You have to account for that.”</p>
<p>collegehelp’s point is that it is NOT a major in Cornell’s College of Arts & Sciences, YOU have to account for THAT. SOME amount of the application volume to Dartmouth consists of people who will study engineering, whereas ZERO of Cornell CAS applicants have this major in mind. The major is housed at a different college in Cornell, which itself has many applicants. Collegehelp accounted for it by adding the applications of the two Cornell colleges.</p>
<p>But per my earlier post this approach is not perfect either since Dartmouth’s engineering program is probably only attractive to a smaller subset of engineering applicants. We live in an imperfect world.</p>
<p>The # applications need not track the size of the program, per post #14, so the fact that matriculants =1/10 need not in itself excuse lack of applicants. Lack of applicants might alternatively be explained by lack of desirability of a particular program in the view of the largest proportion of those interested in studying/ pursuing it. One can hypothesize for oneself which is the case in this instance.</p>
<p>There is no school anywhere on the planet that can lay claims to be more popular than HARVARD.</p>
<p>
Your reasoning being…? Harvard is first neither in the number of applications nor in applications per capita.</p>
<p>popularity cannot be measured solely on your statistics.
there are factors why many students don’t apply to Harvard.
Many top high school graduates in Italy, Spain, Germany, Russia, Sotuh Africa, Egypt, South Korea, Malaysia, Philippines or China have heard of Harvard but not of Cornell.
Many smart kids in America wouldn’t apply to Harvard because they knew many of them wouldn’t stand a chance anyway.
Harvard is the MOST popular school on earth. But the people know it’s NOT for everyone.
your statistics are therefore inapplicable.</p>
<p>^they probably haven’t heard of Dartmouth either.</p>
<p>^ Then that makes Dartmouth less popular (or even, unpopular), don’t you think?</p>
<p>Well, if I may have to rank the ivies based on popularity, it would go this way:</p>
<ol>
<li>Harvard</li>
</ol>
<ul>
<li>significant drop -</li>
</ul>
<ol>
<li>Yale</li>
</ol>
<ul>
<li>drop -</li>
</ul>
<ol>
<li>Princeton</li>
</ol>
<ul>
<li>slight drop</li>
</ul>
<p>Columbia
UPenn
Cornell</p>
<ul>
<li>significant drop -</li>
</ul>
<p>Brown
Dartmouth</p>
<p>If we would include non-ivies, only Stanford, MIT, Berkeley and possibly Caltech would make in the top echelon of the most popular schools on earth, or would equal Yale, or would place in between Yale and Princeton. MIT, Berkeley and Stanford are quite HUGE names abroad (you have no idea!), yet again, aren’t tantamount to Harvard’s popularity and prestige.</p>
<p>Duke, JHU, Chicago, Northwestern and Michigan would all place in Columbia’s group.</p>
<p>Brown and Darmtouth’s popularity is limited in the US and in some small groups outside of the US.</p>
<p>I wonder what would Dartmouth’s name become when a popular person attends classes there, say Prince William, for example? I bet it would automatically rival Princeton or Yale in popularity.</p>
<p>
I’d say
H
Y
P
Brown
Columbia
Penn/Cornell
Dartmouth</p>
<p>At least among more mainstream high school students. For the more elite college minded students it would probably go
H
PY
Brown/Columbia
Dartmouth/Penn
Cornell</p>
<p>One way to look at it is the crossadmit data. Cornell loses out to the other Ivies. From my anechdotal experience, I’d say it’s about at Northwestern and Duke, right bellow the rest of the Ivies but still pretty darn good in popularity and attracting crossadmits.</p>
<p>Venkat89, </p>
<p>I think that among the mainstream high school students, Duke is more popular than either Brown or Dartmouth. Columbia is also more popular than Brown. The fact that Columbia is in NYC, helps boost its popularity.</p>
<p>I’ve always been under the impression that Duke loses out cross admits at most Ivies except Cornell. Maybe switch Brown and Columbia, but Brown is known as the least like other Ivies and has a ton of applications.</p>
<p>Venkat, notice he ranked those colleges based on international popularity. Meaning, like post #30 said, “Brown and Dartmouth’s popularity is limited in the US and in some small groups outside of the US.” So, your list is pretty inaccurate considering there is no way Brown would be #4 in any international popularity contest. Brown and Dartmouth’s “not so good” placings in the international rankings is a slight proof to this.</p>
<p>True, internationally, Brown and Dartmouth would be last and Cornell may be pusing #4. I was speaking for US high school student applicants.</p>
<p>Venkat89, I’ve always been under the impression that Duke losses cross-admits to HYPSM, as do all the rest that those perennial top 5 schools compete against. I’m not convinced that Duke losses more students to Columbia or UPenn (minus Wharton), let alone B or D.</p>
<p>kartrider360, my response to Venkat89 was based on US’ set-up. D and B shouldn’t attempt to join in popularity contest when the scope is global. Neither would stand a chance.</p>
<p>^isn’t your field engineering? would you possibly be focusing on more science minded applicants? Just trying to gain some perspective because engineering and sciences are where Duke beats out Brown and Dartmouth.</p>
<p>With the crossadmit thing from the NYT a few years ago (<a href=“http://intranet.epa.gov/ogc/ethics/postemployment_checklist.htm[/url]”>http://intranet.epa.gov/ogc/ethics/postemployment_checklist.htm</a> ) Duke loses 2/3 of all applicants to Penn and 1/2 to Cornell. It gets killed by the other Ivies. The people I know to go to Duke over Ivies + Stanford and MIT went for scholarships. I’m sure the ones who applied to Duke early would have gotten into at least Cornell if not another Ivy or two and still chosen Duke, but same can be said of those who applied to Penn, Dartmouth and Brown.</p>
<p>^ I can’t open the site with a link you provided. </p>
<p>Can you post the stats of Duke, Brown and Dartmouth on here? thanks in advance.</p>
<p>btw, i’m a comsci grad.</p>
<p>^ Try this link:</p>
<p>[The</a> New York Times > Week in Review > Image > Collegiate Matchups: Predicting Student Choices](<a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2006/09/17/weekinreview/20060917_LEONHARDT_CHART.html]The”>The New York Times > Week in Review > Image > Collegiate Matchups: Predicting Student Choices)</p>
<p>And here’s the underlying story:</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/17/weekinreview/17leonhardt.html?ex=1316145600&en=94d34ff57060717f&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/17/weekinreview/17leonhardt.html?ex=1316145600&en=94d34ff57060717f&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss</a></p>
<p>Note that the sampling data on which this is based is now about 10 years old, if I recall correctly.</p>