<p>I didn’t read every page in this forum, so this may sound random, but I just want to say I didn’t know that Duke, Stanford and MIT weren’t Ivies until this year, and I’ve never heard of Brown, which is an ivy league school, until this year either. Honestly, I don’t think ivy league means anything anymore.</p>
<p>^^it doesnt mean crap, but the name automatically ranks the school higher in US news, even if it isnt as good as other schools
Rutgers and JHU were invited into the Ivy league</p>
<p>Sorry this is SO LATE, but I was browsing through, and I’m appalled at this thread. </p>
<p>First off, those saying that Duke isn’t Ivy league leveled is plain ignorant. Period. Actually, I really doubt we’d meet anyone who isn’t aware of Duke’s place in America as one of the nation’s leading universities.</p>
<p>Duke’s prestige: First off, it IS elite and people DO give it credit. Get off your butt and ask anyone (Your neighbor? Stranger?) around. I bet you most will “wow” and nod about Duke when you tell them. Maybe Harvard will get you more big “wows” but so what? In the eyes of the employer, BOTH are roughly the same.
Whether you disagree or not, Duke IS lumped with the Ivy League when people refer to elite universities.
Read “Harvard Schmarvard” or it’s bio at Amazon:
[Amazon.com:</a> Harvard Schmarvard: Getting Beyond the Ivy League to the College That is Best for…](<a href=“http://www.amazon.com/Harvard-Schmarvard-Getting-Beyond-College/dp/0761536957]Amazon.com:”>http://www.amazon.com/Harvard-Schmarvard-Getting-Beyond-College/dp/0761536957)</p>
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<p>Take up any “How to get into elite university” or “Getting into Ivy League and equal university” books at Borders or Barnes and Nobles (I WORK here). Every book I’ve picked up has the following: Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT, Caltech (actually, a lot of times, my alma matter is missing…attracts different groups of people I guess), Columbia, UPenn, Brown, Dartmouth, Duke, Cornell, UChicago, and Georgetown.
<a href=“http://collegeapps.about.com/od/collegerankings/tp/Top-Universities.htm[/url]”>http://collegeapps.about.com/od/collegerankings/tp/Top-Universities.htm</a></p>
<p>Also, take a look at evaluating America’s best cities. One of their criteria are
[Amazon.com:</a> Harvard Schmarvard: Getting Beyond the Ivy League to the College That is Best for…](<a href=“http://www.amazon.com/Harvard-Schmarvard-Getting-Beyond-College/dp/0761536957]Amazon.com:”>http://www.amazon.com/Harvard-Schmarvard-Getting-Beyond-College/dp/0761536957)</p>
<p>Why have they picked these universities? Because Stanford = West coast’s most important university. Princeton = Mid-Atlantic’s most important university. Harvard = New England’s most important university. Duke = South East’s most important university. Rice = South West’s most important university. Northwestern = Mid West’s most important university.</p>
<p>I get very sick of people when they say Duke’s reputation is mostly on sports. That is completely false. Duke is an intellectual place. It’s not only jocks and sports–that’s all a part of it, but when I visited, I met tons of smart individuals MANY of whom have rejected Cornell, UPenn, Dartmouth, Columbia. Why in fact I’ve run into a couple who rejected the godly HYPMS <em>gasp</em>
Duke DOES emphasize heavily on research–I’ve seen them doing amazing things myself. Duke comes in 7th among top research institutions in America.
<a href=“http://mup.asu.edu/research2006.pdf[/url]”>http://mup.asu.edu/research2006.pdf</a>
and
[PR:</a> America’s Most Productive Universities Ranked By Faculty Scholarly Productivity Index](<a href=“http://www.prwebdirect.com/releases/2007/1/prweb495682.php]PR:”>http://www.prwebdirect.com/releases/2007/1/prweb495682.php)</p>
<p>Not only is Duke a research powerhouse, but people here end up banking huge money. Take a look at the recent PayScale/Businessweek rankings Roger<em>Dooley posted.
[What’s Your College Degree Worth? - BusinessWeek](<a href=“Bloomberg - Are you a robot?”>Bloomberg - Are you a robot?)
and
[2007</a> list of BB Summer Associate class by colleges | WallStreetOasis.com](<a href=“http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/2007-list-of-bb-summer-associate-class-by-colleges]2007”>2007 list of BB Summer Associate class by colleges | Wall Street Oasis)</p>
<p>Sure maybe Duke doesn’t have many Nobel Prize faculty members. It doesn’t have many faculty membership in National science and engineering Organizations.
But you’re forgetting that Duke became Duke University in the 1930s–its NEW. Nobel Prize was established in 1895.<br>
The Nobel Prizes were awarded long after Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Berkeley were established, so they had time.
What I’m amazed is that Duke already has won enough Nobel prizes and membership to national science and engineering associations as Dartmouth, Brown, etc.
Even if Duke doesn’t have as many Nobel Prizes and Distinctions as HYP, its still a rising institution. Just 6 years ago, its admit rate was 24+%
Now its 14.8%.
Duke is a rising and young institution. Its not even a 100 years old yet.</p>
<p>My point is stop bashing on Duke. I’m not going to Duke, and technically I shouldn’t even care about it as my alma matter is Caltech.
But Duke Medical Center saved my father from cancer, so I’m very grateful for it. Hence, I’m defending it with FACTS from ignorant posters here.
Here are a few miscellaneous sites just for kicks:
<a href=“Bankers Ball”>Bankers Ball;
<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-ut-rank[/url]”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-ut-rank</a>
<a href=“The Google College Rankings”>The Google College Rankings;
<p>To be honest, I can’t believe I’m doing this. Duke’s prestige and excellence should be evident enough that I shouldn’t have to do this at all. Just my attempt at proving its prestige makes it seem it isn’t (but it is of course)
Before CC, I thought it was clear that Duke is among the ivies definitely. But this is just ridiculous.
If you’re angry at some Duke ■■■■■■ here, bash THEM. Don’t bash DUKE. If you actually visited this place, you’d love it too.</p>
<p>Also, I forgot to add. As for Duke’s international prestige…well, I guess based on THES-World Rankings, Europe has a high opinion about Duke.</p>
<p>But in Asia? [Interview</a> of Duke University President Brodhead–??? <a href=“http://www.4ewriting.com%5B/url%5D”>www.4ewriting.com](<a href=“http://www.4ewriting.com/read.asp?id=1908]Interview”>http://www.4ewriting.com/read.asp?id=1908)</a>
It’s just a matter of time.</p>
<p>According to USNWR’s WORLD’s Best Universities, Duke is ranked 14th, ahead of Cornell and Stanford. Brown, an Ivy League, is ranked 31, and Northwestern 32.</p>
<p>^Right, and in ARWU rankings, Duke ranks 32 while UPenn, Cornell, and Stanford rank in top 15. </p>
<p>My point isn’t that Duke is greater than blah blah university. </p>
<p>Its a fact that it overall ranks and is as prestigious as an ivy league. A “lower ivy league” I suppose as people here call them.
Just acknowledge that and be cool. I don’t get why CCers bash on it so much to kick it bellow the ivy league. If its the “Dook ■■■■■■” that pizz you off, then bash THEM. If you hate Coach K, then bash HIM. </p>
<p>Future CCers and high schoolers will browse through these forums–make a good impression and not dispel wrong ideas of Duke?</p>
<p>You just have to realize that CC isn’t the real world and no one really cares too much. Yes, there are traditional “old money” snobs who will say HYPSM trumps all, but employers, grad schools, etc (ie PEOPLE THAT MATTER), acknowledge that Duke, Penn, Columbia, UChicago, Northwestern, etcetc are great schools. The distinctions made on CC are preposterous and superfluous. </p>
<p>/rant</p>
<p>Exactly! And just saying.</p>
<p>I work at Barnes and Nobles. I saw my manager browsing through his app file and he told me it was between a Harvard freshman who had come to the Bay Area for the summer, looking for a summer job and an Iowa State girl looking for a summer job as well.</p>
<p>After the interview, my manager had no problem discarding the Harvard guy because he didn’t seem enthusiastic about the job. He just tossed his app away just like that.</p>
<p>I’m really beginning to wonder the credibility of “HYPSM, omg!”</p>
<p>I don’t get the point of this thread, because most people view Duke as good as the Ivies (at least the lower Ivies), at least in Ohio. All the top students at my high school (I graduated a couple of years ago) go crazy over schools like Duke, Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Dartmouth, Penn, etc. My parents and their friends all believe there is a huge difference between Rice (where I currently attend) and Duke (where I might be transferring to), and there isn’t. Duke, for the most part, is treated like an Ivy, at least where I live. Almost everyone I talked to knows that Duke has good athletics and good academics. Seriously, Duke is already well-respected and regarded very highly by almost everyone… why are you trying to bring attention to a problem that doesn’t exist? If anything, this problem is more unique to Rice, WashU, Emory, and CMU more than to Duke.</p>
<p>And even if people did give Duke “so little credit,” why does it matter? Its there loss for being ignorant, not yours. Creating a thread like this reveals insecurity when there is nothing to be insecure about by attending Duke.</p>
<p>^You are my new God.</p>
<p>I think a lot of the resentment comes from the fact that CC was ■■■■■■■ mercilessly last summer (if I remember correctly) by one or more determined Duke advocates.</p>
<p>haha this thread made me laugh… duke isn’t given any more or less credit than it is due. Duke is often considered as one of the premier educational institutions in the world. But at the same time, Duke doesn’t have the same level of prestige as schools such as HYPS. So what if Duke doesn’t have as much prestige as those very few schools, it still has more prestige than 98% of all the other schools. I’m attending duke next year and prestige or no prestige, I know I’ll have an incredible 4 years.</p>