All I hear are Ivies, UCs, liberal arts and other colleges.
Because the big 10 are state schools and draw heavily from their own states first. You have to be able to afford $50k+ a year to attend if you are OOS. For that kind of money, many people can’t afford to go (most don’t offer OOS financial aid). Most people choose schools based on criteria other than their sports team rankings - like the ability to provide generous financial aid (which the Ivies and wealthier privates can do).
[QUOTE=""]
Why no love for the big ten schools?
[/QUOTE]
Because they can’t count.
$50,000??? The only big ten school that cost that amount is university of Michigan.
Big 10 schools are talked about all the time here.
They all run 40 - 50k plus travel for OOS. Why would someone from the East Coast go to a Big Ten school for more than twice the price of an equal instate school? A high stat student from a family making 100k could send their child to a private school for $20k a year.
Minnesota, Nebraska, and Iowa are somewhat less expensive than the others for out-of-state students.
I’m in-state for UIUC. It’s still expensive (in my world). I blame no one for not talking about it. Crazy.
As compared to the SouthEastern Conference : Missouri, LSU, Texas A&M… :-?
I’d guess that part of it is that CC is somewhat of a self-selecting group of high achievers who use those schools as their safeties.
<<<
As compared to the SouthEastern Conference : Missouri, LSU, Texas A&M…
<<<<
If you divide the country into quartiles…NE, SE, NW, SW…then all the SEC schools fit in the SE.
The Big XII has 10 teams.
Why would someone from the East Coast go to a Big Ten school for more than twice the price of an equal instate school?
Tons of kids from New York state go to Big 10 schools. You’re not going to get the equivalent college experience at a SUNY.
Astern said " Why would someone from the East Coast go to a Big Ten school for more than twice the price of an equal instate school? " Well I see that simba9 said it already. No. SUNY does not compare to the Big 10. Not close. Not even poor substitutes for the Big 10. Someone would pay twice as much for them because they are twice as good. The very best NY students generally prefer the Big 10 to SUNYs and if they can afford to, they often go. Some NYers don’t want to go to schools that seem just like their NY public high schools. Any NYer who views SUNY as similar to those other school has never spent any time at a Big 10 schools.
The Big 10 are not for everyone. Some NYers prefer SUNY schools. SUNYs are less expensive and more efficient. They are bare bones utilitarian institutions that were made to be ugly so they don’t attract students who could afford private schools in the NE. Read the articles written at the time the SUNY system was being proposed. That promise was, stated explicitly. SUNY was designed for students who could not afford private schools and who would otherwise not go to college. The advocates promised the public that the schools would not compete for students with the private schools in the northeast. Presidents of Hobart and Hamilton were part of the dialogue at the time. Interesting discussions. If you read the history you can better understand why the schools look and function they way they do.
Or maybe less.
Below are examples of net price estimates from College Abacus for a Maryland family with a $100K income and 1 college-age child (after grant aid but without applying any “self help” aid).
Net Price Estimate … College
$44,925 Wisconsin (out-of-state public, big 10)
$41,994 Purdue (out-of-state public, big 10)
$35,704 Minnesota(out-of-state public, big 10)
$23,816 Dickinson (private)
$23,733 University of Maryland (in-state public, big 10)
$17,190 Bates College (private, claims to meet full need)
$16,171 Haverford (private, claims to meet full need)
$13,940 Vanderbilt (private, claims to meet full need)
$12,300 Stanford (private, claims to meet full need)
$8,509 Yale (private, claims to meet full need
For a NY resident with $100K income and 1 child, SUNY - Stony Brook would cost $19,658 according to the College Board NPC
Your Mileage May Vary. I assumed no home equity and no financial assets other than $50K savings/checking. Of course, for families with incomes too high for need-based aid, the Big 10 sticker prices start to look more attractive (compared to private schools, that is).
<< If you divide the country into quartiles…NE, SE, NW, SW…then all the SEC schools fit in the SE. >>
ack! meant to write “quadrants”!
Anyway…I think the issue is that the Big 10 schools often don’t give much in aid/merit for OOS. There are some exceptions. UMich is trying to give aid to needy OOS, but since it’s hard to get in, it’s essentially has a merit-tinge. Iowa State gives OOS merit.
Of course, the private schools with the good financial aid are also the most selective (Yale, Stanford, etc.). For some other private schools based on the parameters in #14 (and 3.5 HS GPA, 2000 SAT, 30 ACT, etc. so numbers below may include merit):
$49,480 Seton Hall
$34,116 Catholic University
$31,842 Allegheny
$25,102 Boston College
$20,245 New York University
$15,026 Boston University
Iowa State is in the Big XII, not Big Ten.
Re #16: So why the frequent refrain on CC that NYU is one of the least affordable colleges in the country?
It looks like NYU has improved its financial aid recently. A few years ago, NYU’s net price calculator gave net prices over $30,000 for maximum-need students. Now, it seems to be around $20,000 (still unaffordable for high need students, but apparently not so bad for upper middle income students if the result from College Abacus’ web scrape above is accurate). Perhaps they are aware of their reputation and are trying to change it somewhat.
@mom2collegekids Iowa State is Big12. They hate that mistake. UofIowa may hate it more…