Why would those of us good enough to get into UNC OOS choose UNC?

<p>I want to go to UNC for several reasons.
1. The sports. Tobacco Road basketball is one of a kind. ACC Baby.
2. The weather. North Carolina is warmer for the most part than BC and Notre Dame.
3. Its size. I want a big school.
4. Its price. It costs just a little bit less than private schools.</p>

<p>janieblue YOU need to do some research. although the unc system may receive 40% of its funding from taxpayers (i don't know nor do i really care since i don't go to UNC-Asheville or Elizabeth City State), UNC-CH ONLY receives 25% of its from the state, and FEDERAL funding (the taxes we both pay) matches that. that means that when it comes to taxes IS students theoretically only contribute double what OSS students contribute to the university. why then must OSS students pay 300 percent more in tuition? UNC-CH is truly a NATIONAL university, and North Carolina should quit hogging it, or else the federal gov. should cut funding to return the GA's spirit (although that theoretically could happen given how the fed. gov. funds UNC). UVA, UMich don't have quotas and discriminatory tuition increases to always remind their OSS students they don't really belong. they are true to their national standing, and if UNC keeps on abandoning its national standing, soon it will enjoy no longer. UNC used to by 30% OSS, until they set quotas sometime in the early 2000s (?). but regardless, i need to apologize for posturing earlier. it's just been extremely hard transition coming here, and that's going to color my all of my input.</p>

<p>sources:<a href="http://oira.unc.edu/images/stories/factsAndFigures/dataSummaries/quickFacts/quick_facts_brochure.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://oira.unc.edu/images/stories/factsAndFigures/dataSummaries/quickFacts/quick_facts_brochure.pdf&lt;/a>
federal grants & contracts funding=21 percent (this are in turn funding by federal taxes); state appropriations=22%</p>

<p>The "quota" you are referring to is a state law that limits the number of freshman out of state enrollees to 18%.</p>

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I said IF the difference is only 5k per year, I would choose Cal.

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<p>vc08: Actually, what you said earlier, and the statement to which I responded was:</p>

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If you get into Berkeley OOS, go for it, it's worth the 5k tuition difference.

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<p>My point is that the cost differential is more than $5K. You agreed that Berkeley's first year, as reported on their site, is currently ~$45K total. The subsequent years, if living off campus, you agreed would be ~$40K, as stated on their website. NOW, in post #40, you're saying it's "about $35K per year the last two years. ??</p>

<p>Wow. That's really a reduction. I suppose if you severely limit your food intake, live in a really really cheap place with a ton of other students to pay for the rent-- I guess you could knock it down to whatever cost you want it to be, or whatever costs support your case. I'm guessing, too, that Berkeley is a much more expensive place to live than is Chapel Hill. Whatever. By the time you read this, I'm sure the costs will have gone down to $25K, with some people doing it easily enough for $15K. ;)</p>

<p>Also, I am confident that all California public universities have some kind of limit on how many out-of-state students they will take. Public universities will <em>always</em> take more of their own residents than out-of-state students. I don't know what their cap is, but I'm sure they have one. </p>

<p>They're both great schools. I just don't think we ought to pretend that the out-of-state (and in-state) costs are the same. There's a reason UNC-CH is consistently ranked #1 by Kiplingers as a "best buy" in public universities, and Berkeley is not.</p>

<p>armcp:

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UNC used to by 30% OSS, until they set quotas sometime in the early 2000s (?). but regardless, i need to apologize for posturing earlier. it's just been extremely hard transition coming here, and that's going to color my all of my input.

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<p>You need to do the research. UNC-CH has NEVER had a cap set at 30% OOS. Where are you getting these figures? It used to be 15%, was raised to 18% in the early 1980's, I think. </p>

<p>You have no idea what you're talking about with regard to taxpayer cost. Also, there are 15 other campuses in the UNC system, for your information.</p>

<p>I also don't understand why you say you attend UNC when your very recent past posts state you're at Tulane. ??</p>

<p>Edit: I was going to correct some of your other statements, but I don't see the point. They're so off the mark, I wouldn't know where to begin. For your own information, though, you need to look at the OOS costs of both Michigan and UVA, and also look at their in-state costs. I don't know what Michigan's OOS cap is, but UVA does have an OOS cap set at 30%.</p>

<p>armcp: One last comment. I assume no one is forcing you go to UNC (if, indeed, you do). No one made you transfer from Tulane (if, indeed, you did). If you are unhappy at UNC and your tuition costs, you could always leave and go to your own state university, where you would be a resident, and receive in-state tuition. Alternatively, you could transfer back to Tulane-- if you're not there already. ??</p>

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NOW, in post #40, you're saying it's "about $35K per year the last two years. ??

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<p>Actually, Janie, I'm afraid you just didn't read thoroughly. I stated in my second post (#36), my first response to your cynical remark about UCB's OOS tuition, that it was about 35k the next 2-3 years.

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This cost significantly decreases over the next 4 years, as many students choose to live off-campus, and take up their own cooking, lowering the cost to around 35k. This is all w/o financial aid, grants, scholarships, etc., btw.

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<p>Before you blow your top, recognize that you are representing the students of UNC. As an applicant and prospective student, I would certainly hope that students there would live up to their friendly, patient stereotype. After all, isn't that defining aspect of the school? UNC is great. There, happy? I'm pretty sure I've stated that a million times. Trust me on the UC system stuff, k? I have a brother at Berkeley, I have more friends than I can count at UCLA, and I'd like to be admitted to UNC, so obviously I have nothing to gain by going against any school. I'm pretty unbiased on this one, I think. I like all sides. I really don't appreciate your sarcastic, cynical tone. You represent a distinguished university, and instead of scaring future students away, I'd hope you'd be more open to opposing views, especially when <em>ghasp</em> they might be right.</p>

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Also, I am confident that all California public universities have some kind of limit on how many out-of-state students they will take. Public universities will <em>always</em> take more of their own residents than out-of-state students. I don't know what their cap is, but I'm sure they have one.

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Again, you did not read all the way through my post. Of course they have one. I stated that already:

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However, California is not limited to only enrolling 12%, as is the case at UCLA, for example. I believe they can enroll up to 20% OOS (give or take a few %)

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. . . recognize that you are representing the students of UNC. As an applicant and prospective student . . .

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<p>Nope, not a student here, nor an applicant. Been there; done that. ;)</p>

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Trust me on the UC system stuff, k?

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<p>In terms of tuition/full costs, I think I'll trust what Berkeley quotes instead, if it's all the same to you. Same with UNC. Costs may lessen somewhat if you move off-campus, as stated on Berkeley's site, but not sure I believe that it goes down as much as $10K the last 2 years (first year being $45K). This is especially so if Berkeley raises tuition costs from freshman year. Since most schools do raise tuition during over the 4 years that a student attends, I would expect them to be the same. </p>

<p>We agree then that CA public universities have a cap on their number of OOS as well. Gee, I hope the a certain poster on here doesn't get wind of that, since Berkeley has this 20% cap, but is enrolling closer to ~10-12% (again, from the website-- your figures may differ). He'll surely view that as unfair, and demand that the Feds take over Berkeley, too. :)</p>

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You represent a distinguished university, and instead of scaring future students away, I'd hope you'd be more open to opposing views, especially when <em>ghasp</em> they might be right.

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<p>When I see incorrect information given, I'll correct it. I'm sorry if you find that offensive. I don't mind "opposing views," but I trust information a University provides on their website, more than I do anecdotal information on an anonymous website. Sorry.</p>

<p>Well even if you do choose to go strictly by the website (which is fair), IDK how you think Cals' costs increase. It explicitly states that it goes down 5k alone in the first year (remember, most UCB students do NOT live on campus past their first year, and by the junior year, many drop university dining plans).
Undergraduate</a> Budgets 07-08</p>

<p>This is a stupid argument, IMO. If cost isn't an issue for the OP, and he likes the Bay Area, go with Cal. If cost is a huge factor, go with UNC. No need to analyze every penny here.</p>

<p>And there is a big difference between info being offensive (which it is not, it's fact), and tone being offensive (which yours is).</p>

<p>vc08: I didn't bother to check your link. As I said before, I got my information from the Admissions page on Berkeley's website for 2007-08, where they do asterisk their budget, saying those figures are "subject to change." I doubt that means they'd actually choose to reduce tuition. At any rate, you can check the admissions/budget page to see where I got my figures. Unless Berkeley is incorrect in the figures they post, I'll just go with those.</p>

<p>By the by, in response to your comment below . . . </p>

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And there is a big difference between info being offensive (which it is not, it's fact), and tone being offensive (which yours is).

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<p>. . . I never said your information was "offensive," nor do I think mine is. What I actually said is:</p>

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When I see incorrect information given, I'll correct it. I'm sorry if you find that offensive.

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<p>I suspect you're offended by being questioned and corrected, regardless of the tone used in doing so.</p>

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Basically, if you have to be ivy material to get in oos, why not choose an ivy league school?

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I don't mean to be a prick, but this isn't true.
Getting into UNC OOS is harder that getting in IS, BUT getting in UNC OOS is much easier than getting into any of the Ivy Leagues + Duke + Stanford by any stretch.
Finally, you have a lot of in-state students who turned down colleges like Duke for Carolina (maybe it's the whole being a 'tar heel' fan thing, blah).</p>

<p>Mondo</p>

<p>Since your address is Duke your opinion may also be highly biased.</p>

<p>I have been on these boards for over four years now and can honestly tell you that there have been far more OOS students who were denied admission or waitlisted at UNC who also were admitted to Penn, Columbia, Cornell and yes even Duke.</p>

<p>My now UNC senior son's HS class (top ten private/prep school) had three admitted to Duke two of whom were wait listed at UNC and the other rejected. </p>

<p>As I and others have stated the top 25% in-state and great majority of OOS could attend school most anywhere they desired. There are several long time CC posters who turned down HYPS to attend UNC....all with zero regrets</p>

<p>No one on these boards denigrates admission to Duke. Most often the main comparisons that are drawn relate more to Chapel Hill vs Durham or the more laid back cooperative spirit at UNC and the fact that unlike you, no one really cares about impressing others with how smart they are. </p>

<p>Please put your ego ( and dislike of UNC) aside and accept the fact that there are plenty of students at UNC who could be at Duke or elsewhere but CHOSE to attend UNC.</p>

<p>janie you have an attitude. And you're an old woman getting into arguments with high schoolers and feeling good about yourself when you put them down, even when they are clearly trying to make peace. Kbai go away or start being nice. And vc, please stop posting here; its painful reading that woman's cynical responses. Let this thread be what it was made for.</p>

<p>y7bbb6: Perhaps you should start showing some respect to your elders, because this "old woman" is sticking around. :)</p>

<p>I'm actually not sure "what this thread was made for." If an applicant needs to ask others why he or she chose to attend UNC, instead of an Ivy, I think that's a valid question. If he wants to know why UNC is among a list of schools for any applicant, I think that's also a valid question.</p>

<p>I do not, however, think it's valid to denigrate in-state students here. I do not think it's valid or useful to complain about the OOS cost. In fact, I think it's pointless. Private universities and out-of-state publics will always be more expensive than one's own in-state public (not taking into consideration financial aid or merit). Presumably, one knows this going in, though.</p>

<p>Also, no one is forcing you to read my posts or responses. If they are "painful" for you, you are certainly free to move on. :)</p>

<p>Mondo, your assertion relative to UNC's OOS ease of admission relative to Ivys and Dook isn't quite what you implied.</p>

<p>Cornell University (NY) 25%
Duke University (NC) 23%
UNC OOS 20%
University of Pennsylvania 18%
Dartmouth College (NH) 16%
Brown University (RI) 14%
Columbia University (NY) 12%
Stanford University (CA) 11%
Princeton University (NJ) 10%
Harvard University (MA) 9%</p>

<p>y7bbb6: your flame is inappropriate and downright rude. Check your profile under Interests. Someone, not you of course, is making you out to be . . . (just check the profile, and you'll see)</p>

<p>janie: You really need an ego check. I mean, if you aren't a student or applicant/alum of UNC, why are you putting future applicants down? Me, in particular. You say debating OOS costs is pointless, but that's what you originally attacked my post for. Of course you didn't check the link, you're so busy thinking you're right, you don't want to think for a second that anyone else could have a point as well. I'm glad you aren't a UNC student, I would hope UNC would have someone more mature and even-headed representing their university.</p>

<p>PS...If you're so down on Cal's tuition, why don't you call them to get your facts straight, since I can tell you right now that you don't know how their aid, or tuition system, works.</p>

<p>vc08: Sigh. My comment above was not based on your postings on the subject.</p>

<p>Regarding your posts, I simply questioned your assertion that there was only a $5K difference in OOS costs between Berkeley and UNC. I questioned someone's assertion that suggested one could gain CA residency after a year. I questioned your assertion (at least they way you phrased it) that Berkeley did not have a cap on percent of OOS they can take. I also praised Berkeley; again, it's an amazing school-- we all agree-- ranked consistently #1 among all public universities. I posted what Berkeley lists on their own website about total costs to support my questioning of your assertions. (I did not take into consideration financial aid, need-based or otherwise, with regard to either school.)</p>

<p>I actually went back over all the posts I wrote that were directed to you. Honestly, I saw none directed to you that would cause you to be so offended. </p>

<p>We can agree to disagree, or you can continue with your complaints, but that seems rather pointless to me.</p>

<p>Again, the tone was offending to several posters, obviously. You got the facts from their website, so did I (previously posted):</p>

<p>Undergraduate Budgets 07-08</p>

<p>I've been long over this, I live in CA, I have a brother at Cal, I have relatives who work in the financial aid office there (for cryin out loud!), and I know how it works. You don't even reside in the state. It isn't a question of whether the school is good, it's your refusal to go with the facts. </p>

<p>However, I would as well like to simply move on, I agree to disagree, unless you wish to continue your uniformed posts, in which I will simply move on to other friends/forums.</p>

<p>OP: Good luck!</p>

<p>Y7: I hope you find peace in your decision, whatever it may be.</p>

<p>eadad: I found your posts informative and interesting, thanks for setting a positive, mature example. Best of luck to your child!</p>

<p>Sorry all these threads back and forth are mind boggling. I'll answer the original question - why UNC OOS - in a pretty simple way. My son may have been accepted to some Ivys - definitely not all. He would not have been accepted to Princeton. He would have been accepted to Cornell. I can't even think about the other ones because it was a non-issue. He was not interested in applying. We took him to Penn and he said no. He was deferred from his original first choice school (a high rated private school)which he applied EA. UNC and one other school were a close second. He made UNC EA and has since made two others. UNC is really high up there - above highly rated private schools where he may qualify for money. The fact that it starts out at less money than the private ones, even OOS, makes it more palatable. He liked the feel of the school when we visited, he liked the weather, he liked the student body, he liked UNC's academic rep and rating. Unless some private school comes up with mucho money making our load much more bearable, he will be at UNC in the fall.</p>

<p>you people take this site way too seriously. I have read on many posts very incorrect info. Very one sided info and very rude comments. Some of you try to push your opinions down our throats. UNC is a wonderful school as is UVA, MIT, UGA, Vandie, on and on and on. Grow up if you think UNC is the only place that has nice, pleasant kids and is pretty. And a few of you have repeatly insulted others, gone out of your way to make others feel bad or stupid. Now , what is the point to that. Either you are a kid and should be having more fun and not assuming you know everything or your are an adult and should know better. I so agree that those of you supporting what a great school this is forgot that your attitude might turn others off to unc. and like it or not, the in state kids get in a lot easier and they may be smart kids but many are average and the out of state kids have to be top knotch. so as much as my kid wants to go there, we, the adults, think that if admission to an ivy is received, the money is better spent on a school that has the same admissions standards for all applicants. and jump on me but you know it is true.</p>