<p>my last point, is that people don't need to keep thinking that 2300> is necessary for ivies.... </p>
<p>YALE STATS FROM FASTWEB, 2005-2006
Test Score Distribution:
SAT Math:
700-800 78%<br>
600-699 20%<br>
500-599 2%<br>
Below 500 0%<br>
SAT Verbal:
700-800 78%<br>
600-699 19%<br>
500-599 3%<br>
Below 500 0% </p>
<p>No ACT data available
Freshman Admissions</p>
<p>"any education is good" is the attitude that lands you in mediocre schools and mediocre jobs with mediocre pay. Most people are more ambitious than that.</p>
<p>As for your post regarding the SATs, I don't see how it is relevant. No one said you need 2300+.</p>
<p>GAclassof2008, it is certainly possible to be successful at non-Ivies. However, many bright students choose to go to Ivies because of renowned professors and substantial funding on the part of the university to the undergraduates. In short, many if not all of the Ivy League offer more opportunities to succeed than a lot of the lesser known schools. This is why many opt to get an Ivy education. (This is not to say that schools like Stanford and MIT offer any less, of course)</p>
<p>offer more opportunities to succeed? ellaborate plz...</p>
<p>this is my post... so whatever i say... is relevant... and for the 2300... who says that???? just about everyone on this freaking website....</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ivybound.net/MDelite.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.ivybound.net/MDelite.html</a></p>
<p>"Professor Caroline Hoxby studied the financial returns to men who entered colleges of differing selectivities between 1960 and 1982. She concluded that the reward from attending the more selective college occurred in every age group, from those several decades past graduation, to those within one decade of graduation."</p>
<p>"Yet while the value of an Ivy League degree can be debated, just about everyone will agree that given the connections students make and the number of recruiters attracted to their campuses, these schools give their students an advantage early in their careers. In the long run, however, a person's experience, performance and ability to relate to others matter far more than the seal on their diploma."</p>
<p>why are you giving stats from 1982????? plz.... do better than that.</p>
<p>Where do top companies like Goldman Sachs recruit? Stanford, or East Carolina University?</p>
<p>Case in point.</p>
<p>And that's just one example.</p>
<p>i said IVY IS GOOD ONLY FOR GETTING INTO A COMPANY.... OTHER THAN THAT..... IT'S NOTHING SPECIAL
I LOVE THIS QUOTE I FOUND ONLINE BY SOME PERSON:</p>
<p>And in IT, degrees mean squat after day one of your first job, at least in my experience. Degrees are the most over hyped SCAM racket. Skills talk. Degrees don't make the man. Send a genius to community college, and an idiot to Harvard. the oil and water will eventually rise/fall to their levels. The HIGHEST paid consultant I ever worked with didn't have a degree. </p>
<p>Also, success only has a LITTLE to do with raw intelligence. It has everything to do with motivation, following thru, accountability for your actions, people skills, make no excuses, entrepreneurial instinct, etc. NONE of these traits can be 'bought' with an Ivy degree.</p>
<p>AND TO ANSWER THE TITLE OF MY THREAD... ANOTHER QUOTE I FOUND ON THE WEB:</p>
<p>A: FROM MENTOR SUZANNE FRANKS:
Alexis, I'll try to answer some of your questions. I think you can
get a good education and a good preparation for life at almost any
college or university, as long as it is the right match for you and
what you want. It needs to be a place where you feel comfortable
and have the opportunity to explore all your possible interests. That's
not necessarily the most expensive, the most prestigious, or the
largest college or university. Having a diploma from an ivy league
school can certainly create advantages in life but you can have
a successful rewarding life in which you make important
contributions without having gone to an ivy league school.
"Public ivys" are those public universities that have gained such
a strong reputation in research, teaching, funding, exclusiveness
in terms of students admitted, etc. that they are considered similar
in prestige to the ivys. (and sometimes are similar in terms of
snobbishness and competitive atmosphere, though generally not
as expensive.) If money is an issue, then I say go to a good public
undergraduate school, because for graduate school, especially in
engineering and science, you usually get paid to be a student and
get your tuition paid for you, so it's a better deal to be a grad student
at a private university than to be an undergraduate there.</p>
<p>Most people go to a top school to get the experience of studying there; to work with world renowned professors; to use state of the art facilities and research equipment; and these tend to be harder working and more ambitious people. What's the problem? If you don't want to go to one, then don't.</p>
<p>I agree that a free ride to a state school might be worth choosing over Harvard, but if the family can afford it, there's no reason to deny that persons chance at studying there.</p>
<p>Another benefit of going to an ivy is that you get to interact with equally smart and ambitious people as yourself. What's the point of going to a school where more than half the people don't share the same views and goals as you?</p>
<p>GAclassof2008, one measure of that is student endowment. Many of the Ivy League institutions have high endowments per student (i.e. Princeton's $1.9 per student). This is often a good measure of the kind of opportunities students get during their undergraduate years at the university. Research expenditure per student is also a good objective measure. Many top school students also place at high rates into top graduate programs.</p>
<p><a href="http://wsjclassroomedition.com/archive/05mar/related_05mar_teacher_ivy.htm%5B/url%5D">http://wsjclassroomedition.com/archive/05mar/related_05mar_teacher_ivy.htm</a>
2005 The Price of Prestige
Is an Ivy League Education Worth the Investment? We Do the Math </p>
<p>By SOLJANE MARTINEZ
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL </p>
<p>'New Work Model' </p>
<p>Some career consultants, however, argue that Ivy League degrees are no longer as valuable as they once were in the workplace. "There's a new work model these days," says Barbara Moses, president of a human-resource consulting firm in Toronto. "Although the prestige of an Ivy or highly recognizable school enables you to get out of the gate faster ... employers are looking for what you can do. They're looking for a rich portfolio of skills instead of prestige." </p>
<p>She adds: "If you have two equally bright, well-spoken grads capable of solving problems, 10 years later the two will not be substantially different. In the long term, the differences between an Ivy grad and a state grad will start to average themselves out." </p>
<p>Long-Term Impact </p>
<p>Over the long run, BYU's Mr. Eide and others argue, that spread is likely to expand. But Ms. Moses and other critics of the Ivy League mystique argue that top UNC graduates stand a good chance of keeping pace or surpassing the salaries of those from Yale, and will face a much lighter burden in paying off their loans.</p>
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Also, success only has a LITTLE to do with raw intelligence. It has everything to do with motivation, following thru, accountability for your actions, people skills, make no excuses, entrepreneurial instinct, etc. NONE of these traits can be 'bought' with an Ivy degree.
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<p>No one was arguing this...(at least I wasn't).</p>
<p>stop with all your blabbing and take a second to read what other more intelligent people have to say. on these 3 quotes i've found</p>
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<li>not directed at you .. pudding person</li>
</ul>
<p>OK, though I understand that Ivy leagues aren't the only place or necessarily the best place to get an education (this is dependent on the person), there are some advantages, all else being equal between a given school and an ivy.
Ivy league students make more money. This is a correlation, not a causation. This is primarily caused by that fact that smart, driven kids are going there, so they will succeed more. However, because employers know this, they will regard two people with otherwise equally good history differently if one of them went to an ivy. This also holds for graduate schools.</p>
<p>Therefore, loans that you might have to take to go to an ivy could eventually pay off, since employers will be more likely to hire you, pay you more, and then promote you.</p>
<p>I've read all of your quotes, GAclassof2008, but I think the problem is that you are not reading our posts. All three of those quotes tell me "You don't have to go to an Ivy League school to succeed."</p>
<p>Fantastic. Doesn't mean going to one won't give you opportunities you wouldn't get at other places, as mentioned above.</p>
<p>No More Posting On My Thread... If You Aren't Going To Read My Previous Quotes From Sources That Disprove Your Entire Claim... Which Has Been Repeated Over And Over In This Thread..</p>