<p>pb2002, just because someone is having problems at a certain place does not mean that they cannot be fixed. the world is not a perfect place nor is bowdoin. leaving the place where you are having problems is not necessarily going to solve those problems. hellojane was chosen to come to bowdoin for a reason and the school and students want her here. pb2002, you are suggesting quitting and and starting over at a new place. i am saying stick at it and things will be better than if you tried to start over.</p>
<p>as i said. if you are being so negative because of "cliques" and not having friends...there are many cliques in high school as well..the people that complain about that are ones that have no friends.</p>
<p>no problem with that if social skills are not your thing. again, i'm not accusing you of anything..i think my point is a pretty valid one though. there are no schools that have "100% free" prejudice/cliques groups whatever socialeconomically or racially. i mean there is that stuff in high schools.</p>
<p>finally, if you do think you have social skills, but you are just the unfortunate person that hasn't gotten much social status or have many friends, i know how much that might suck but don't paint that picture for prosp. students because just because you have had tough luck making friends doens't mean other people will. that's the plain truth. there are kids in every schol who have less friends or more friends...it has nothing to do with bowdoin college as an elite LAC.</p>
<p>I am truly sick of you thrashing me.. if you don't like my views fine trash my argument, but now you are attacking me cilyboi.. the problem that I have had here is not because of "social skills" but it is mainly because I have come into a negative environment that is not really accepting.... there are other things that I since I seem to imply that I detest this place because of the "social scene" I can talk about how some faculty are biased towards minority students or how this place really avoids dealing with issues or how they let some members from sports teams "slide" with certain issues while seeking to penalize others very harshly.. or how people say offensive things in class and get away with it... or how some people at admissions belittle some of the very people that they have recruited... [the real issues] </p>
<p>PS: I could care less about friendships.... I care about being in an environment that is conducive for all... not the majority [ethnically speaking] whom don't have to deal with these core issues</p>
<p>Hellojane - why don't you transfer out of Bowdoin since you dislike the place so much?</p>
<p>If it were up to me... I would not interact with the people at all... life is too short and there are better things to do than constantly being around a majority that does not want to see you make it through here.... and if I could live far off campus my life would be better despite the inconveniences... I have talked to white students whom have gone through the same experiences... the issue here is a mindset that is not conducive to learning... how can you focus when you got to deal with so much unnecessary drama</p>
<p>You just posted that Bowdoin professors are "biased toward minorities," implying that you feel disadvantaged by favoritism that is shown minorities, and now you imply that you are a minority. Which is it??</p>
<p>No, I said that I can tell of of specific cases. Please do you misconstrue what I said. I don't think that everybody here is malevolent. I don't have to be a minority in order to make such a statement. There are many whites who get racism. What are you trying to do? Do you want to narrow me out and get on a witch-hunt to make my already unpleasant experience a truly living hell... If you want to talk about this in person I can set up another aim account... and talk more realtime</p>
<p>I'm confused by what you write, hellojane:</p>
<p>"I care about being in an environment that is conducive for all... not the majority [ethnically speaking] whom don't have to deal with these core issues"</p>
<p>So the majority, I assume is white/Caucasian, and they don't have to deal with "core issues" (like social problems? prejudice?)</p>
<p>Yet you also write, as torasee already mentioned:
"some faculty are biased towards minority students"</p>
<p>Which means that minority students, in some cases, are at an advantage depending on the faculty?</p>
<p>So at the same time minorities face problems not experienced by the majority, yet they also experience advantages in some classes? Do you see how you may be confusing some readers?</p>
<p>Anyways, I've been accepted to Bowdoin (don't know if I'll attend), but you're portrayal of the college makes it seem like an elitist community where if you're not white and rich your life will be hell (even if those aren't your exact words, that is the impression I've received from your posts) and if you're an athlete you receive special treatment (that part isn't too hard to believe, but to what extent is a different matter). You aren't being constructive or informative, you're just complaining which doesn't really help prospective students get a better idea of what Bowdoin is all about.</p>
<p>If your experiences at Bowdoin are largely negative, you have several options: transfer, counseling, you can join a club that interests you and interact with other students that have similar interests. You can't just blame Bowdoin for your lousy experience so far...you have to make an effort to improve it some how.</p>
<p>Just my opinion...</p>
<p>by biased toward I am referring to the negative connotation to bias... I have been here for at least two years talked to people in detail about these issues i know what I am talking about. I don't need your advice on how about I should navigate my college career. you are here to get advice. people want to hear good things so they can confirm their choice... if you don't like it personally I don't care... maybe you are one of the people that benefit from a narrow microcosmic view of the world... good luck with your college options</p>
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<p>You make the choice to post on this dboard and make statements about yourself. If you're so uncomfortable with your own opinions that you feel a "witch hunt" would result from explaining them, you really should not post them because, as you have stated them to date, they make very little sense.</p>
<p>My statements apply to other students... If you don't like them then don't respond.. I cannot argue with myself. why does it matter so much what I say on this forum.. these people should make informed decisions for them.. you are arguing that I speaking on personal experience thus this is my "unpleasant" experience. thus the arguement holds that I am speaking from an insular perspective if I am not correct to discredit my statement... I feel like this is not a forum about current students talking to perspective students... but this is about currents bowdoin students ensuring that this is a clean forum that states good things about the school [ there are good things about it, but I think that there needs to be a little more accuracy in people's perspectives... the collge******* is getting there and that is what students need...</p>
<p>why do you feel so compelled to tell students to come? I have answered private messages giving pro's and con's </p>
<p>If you were to buy stock, would you like have access to information that the stock was maybe not worth buying...</p>
<p>the blank word is not swearing but it is college p...r..o..w..l..e...r referring to the magazine</p>
<p>"you are here to get advice. people want to hear good things so they can confirm their choice... if you don't like it personally I don't care... "</p>
<p>I really don't mind hearing bad things about Bowdoin, I'm not so naive as to believe that it is perfect, but the problem is that through your posts you just portray yourself as a complainer/victim. All you've really said is that people at Bowdoin can be racist/prejudiced and that athletes may have some sort of advantage. </p>
<p>"maybe you are one of the people that benefit from a narrow microcosmic view of the world... good luck with your college options"</p>
<p>And you base this assumption on one post? I could say the same about you (just because I disagree with you), but it doesn't make it true. I'm rather open minded and aware of reality...I know that Bowdoin isn't perfect, that racism still exists (and not just at Bowdoin), etc. </p>
<p>If life is crappy at Bowdoin (if I decide to attend) then I'll make an effort to transfer to somewhere else...what's the point of being so bitter and miserable?</p>
<p>I don't have to constantly defend myself because my point is not getting through. I have been here long enough to know what I am talking about. I will say this to set my perspective straight once and for all. I am not telling people not to come to Bowdoin. No college is an utopia. If I am still here, it must be obvious that I benefit somehow. There are many good professors that are willing to work with students. I do think that the college does a good job with its financial aid polices. There are good options after Bowdoin. I have been e-mailed private posts that actually answer questions, and trust me it is not a don't come here post. The main problem that Bowdoin acts as if it were above the problem, and not a part of it. The college is getting more diverse, and it is behind some of its peers in attaining diversity. Now the college is in the greatest flux that it has experienced since it began matriculating women thirty years ago. To think that such as change is not going to affect the social equilibrium is absurd. You could argue that its the same at all elite schools, but the fact that it is a small school only magnifies those problems. I am not the only person making these statements. Check out the front page of last week's Orient. There was an article discussing a facebook not titled: I didn't know you had to be white to be invitied?" This was written by an asian student. The post generated over 90 responses many confirming what I have said.</p>
<p>You have an okay chance :) give it a try</p>