<p>Which public universities would be a lot worse for an out of state student vs. an in state student? Which universities have huge disparities in their OOS and IS admissions standards? Which universities would it be hard for an OOS student fit in? Which universities have huge disparities in their OOS tuition and IS tuition?</p>
<p>***Bonus question: what are the best?</p>
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<p>The “Kiplinger’s Best Values in Public Colleges” page shows in-state and out-of-state costs for 100 public universities. You can click-sort on the cost columns to rank these schools by total in-state or out-of-state cost. ([Kiplinger’s</a> Best Values in Public Colleges-Kiplinger](<a href=“http://www.kiplinger.com/tool/college/T014-S001-kiplinger-s-best-values-in-public-colleges/index.php]Kiplinger’s”>Best College Values, 2019 | Kiplinger))</p>
<p>Here are the 20 colleges that charge the biggest price premiums to OOS students:
OOS Premium … School
$26,128 University of Michigan
$25,952 University of Virginia
$23,774 College of William and Mary
$23,338 University of Texas at Austin
$23,029 New College of Florida
$22,878 University of California, San Diego
$22,878 University of California, Santa Cruz
$22,878 University of California, Irvine
$22,878 University of California, Santa Barbara
$22,878 University of California, Los Angeles
$22,878 University of California, Riverside
$22,878 University of California, Berkeley
$22,878 University of California, Davis
$22,277 University of Florida
$21,896 University of Colorado at Boulder
$21,450 Indiana University, Bloomington
$20,752 University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
$20,328 University of Vermont
$19,957 Michigan State University
$19,350 University of Oregon</p>
<p>Here are the 20 colleges that charge the smallest price premiums to OOS students:
OOS Premium … School
$0 University of Minnesota, Morris
$5,250 University of Minnesota, Twin Cities
$5,736 Truman State University (Mo.)
$7,320 University of Science and Arts of Oklahoma
$7,573 University of Wisconsin - La Crosse
$7,810 University at Albany (SUNY)
$7,815 University of Maryland, Baltimore County
$8,346 Salisbury University (Md.)
$8,480 Ramapo College of New Jersey
$9,050 Purchase College (SUNY)
$9,086 University of Northern Iowa
$9,150 Binghamton University (SUNY)
$9,250 SUNY Geneseo
$9,250 SUNY Oneonta
$9,250 SUNY New Paltz
$9,250 SUNY Cortland
$9,250 SUNY Brockport
$9,550 Christopher Newport University (Va.)
$9,690 University of Pittsburgh (Pa.)
$9,826 West Chester University of Pennsylvania</p>
<p>UNC only accepts like 20% of students OOS so it’s really hard to get in. There is a great disparity of intelligence from in state (because they accept mediocre students) and u have to be really smart if ur applying from OOS, so you might wanna stay away. And btw it’s a fixed number of OOS kids, no more, no less. It’s a certain number an it’s fairly small, like 20ish%.</p>
<p>^ This is only a sampling of schools. Many of the Dakota schools and some upper midwest schools have OOS tuition within a few thousand dollars of IS tuition, and/or offer substantial merit awards to OOS kids. My guess is that these schools have trouble attracting students because most kids would rather go to college where it’s not so cold in the winter.</p>
<p>^ That’s right, Kiplinger lists ~100 of what it determines are “best value” schools
(based on “quality factors” as well as “cost factors”). There are many hundreds of other public colleges in America. I would not expect most of them to attract many OOS students. If you included all of them, you’d get a different list of schools with the smallest OOS price premiums … but probably not a very different list of schools with the biggest.</p>
<p>What about socially? Are there any schools with kids that are uninviting to OOS students?</p>
<p>Most commuter schools would likely be a bad fit for an OOS student especially if they’re located in the middle of nowhere.</p>
<p>True, SD Mines’ OOS - IS difference is $1,940, while SD State’s OOS - IS difference is $2,070.</p>
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It has nothing to do with the winter (see how popular UMich, U Rochester, Wisconsin are) most people just don’t want to go to school in the middle of South Dakota.</p>
<p>Going to California seems to be a moderately popular idea around these forums. Here are the yearly OOS premiums for the public schools in California:</p>
<p>UC: $22,878
CSU: $372 per semester unit, or $11,160 for 30 semester units
Community colleges: $190 per semester unit, or $5,700 for 30 semester units</p>
<p>NY SUNY"s are listed incorrectly above. </p>
<p>Non-resident tuition at the SUNY colleges is $15,320 with Bing and Albany over $16K/year and Buffalo and Stony Brook at over $17K/yr. I just got this off the SUNY.edu tuition website. (Instate tuition is $5870/yr. )</p>
<p>^ The Kiplinger’s information is dated January 2013 (but must have been gathered earlier than that). The numbers I posted above do not represent tuition costs. They represent the difference between the total cost per year for in-state students and the total cost per year for out-of-state students (the OOS cost premium), based on figures available at the time they were collected. </p>
<p>If the tuition difference is now $15,320 - $5,870 and this is the only difference between IS and OOS costs, then the difference is now $9,450 (compared to the $9,250 listed above for 5 of the SUNYs). Presumably, figures for some of the other schools also have changed by now.</p>
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<p>You don’t know what you’re talking about (or should I saw “u don’t know what ur talking about”?) when you say that there is “a great disparity of intelligence … because they accept mediocre students”. </p>
<p>The percentage of out of state students at UNC is capped at 18%. UNC is extremely tough to get into from out of state. However, it isn’t easy to get into from in state either. Many very intelligent, highly qualified students are turned away every year. UNC is the number one college choice for many, if not most, of the top graduates of North Carolina high schools. North Carolina students are heavily represented in Phi Beta Kappa, other honor societies, Honor Court, Student Government, etc. The NC-schooled UNC students are certainly able to hold their own academically.</p>
<p>UNC is a financial bargain for in state students and for many out of state students as well. I believe that it is one of only two flagship universities that meets financial need for out of state students as well as in state students.</p>
<p>“OOS price premium” is a really odd concept, and a highly misleading one. Another way to think about this figure is that it represents the discounted sticker price a public university offers to its in-state students. Some schools that have a very high OOS COA may look like a comparative bargain by the “OOS price premium” measure only because they’re also very expensive for in-state students. </p>
<p>IMO, OOS students should be less concerned about making comparisons on the basis of the differential between OOS and in-state tuition, and more concerned about straight-up comparisons of OOS COA.</p>
<p>What about socially? Are there any schools with kids that are uninviting to OOS students?</p>
<p>Most schools are commuter schools which source the vast majority of students from within a 100 mile radius. If I were an OOS student I would not want to go to Northeastern Oklahoma State which is located in the middle of nowhere and which has almost no campus life to speak of. </p>
<p>There are other state systems of higher ed which are extremely underfunded (ex: University of Nevada). Even if the flagship Reno campus has decent student life, there’s almost no reason for an OOS student to go there.</p>
<p>^^ (@14) The OP asked the question,
“Which universities have huge disparities in their OOS tuition and IS tuition?”</p>
<p>I agree that a straight-up comparison of OOS COA should concern most prospective OOS students. However, many of the above-listed schools with the biggest IS-OOS price disparities also seem to be among the most desirable state universities for OOS students. Some have very strong academic reputations (Michigan, UVa, W&M, Texas, Berkeley, UNC); some are in attractive locations (California, Colorado, Florida). So it appears the market allows them to charge a relatively high premium relative to the baseline established for state residents. For many directional state universities in the Midwest, evidently the OOS market won’t bear as high a premium over that baseline. That’s how I think of it, anyway. To me it seems counter-intuitive to think of the OOS rate as the natural market baseline.</p>
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<p>For this set of schools at least, the 10 schools with the smallest IS-OOS price disparities are not comparatively very expensive for in-state students. No state university charges Ivy-like rates for in-state and OOS students alike.</p>
<p>But yes, in a some cases, given two schools with large IS-OOS price disparities, the school with the larger disparity is not the school with the higher OOS price. E.g. Michigan has a larger disparity than Berkeley, but Berkeley does have a higher OOS price than Michigan.</p>
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<p>Why do you say that? It just seems obvious to me that the OOS rate is the “what the market will bear” rate, while the in-state rate is a subsidized rate. In most states, the in-state rate reflects a state subsidy in the form of annual legislative appropriations, under an implicit or explicit understanding that the legislature doesn’t intend to subsidize OOS students but the school will need to discount in-state tuition if it expects legislative appropriations to keep flowing. That agreement has been breached by a lot of state legislatures lately; they have reduced appropriations but in some cases have insisted on keeping in-state tuition down nonetheless. Which of course is a recipe for declining quality. </p>
<p>Nonetheless, schools like Michigan and UVA, which now get almost no public funding, continue to provide steeply discounted in-state tuition rates because they see it as part of their public mission to do so, even if the legislature no longer pays for it. But the in-state rate is a subsidized rate, not the market rate.</p>
<p>Michigan and Minnesota have similar in state prices (~$24K and $23K, respectively). However, Michigan’s OOS price is much higher than Minnesota’s (~$50K v. ~$28K). One explanation is that Michigan has a much higher market price, but chooses to subsidize that price heavily for the majority of students (the in state students); Minnesota has a lower market price, but for some reason chooses to subsidize it much less heavily than Michigan does for its IS students, to arrive (coincidentally) at approximately the same IS price. </p>
<p>I think a simpler explanation it that these two large, public, midwestern research universities have a similar balance of in state student supply and demand, and similar operating cost factors, so they arrive at similar in-state price points. However, among OOS students, there is a much higher demand for Michigan’s product. Therefore, Michigan can charge a higher “premium” to OOS students to fill roughly the same percentage of OOS places.</p>
<p>In any case, some schools do have much bigger IS-OOS price disparities than others. Among schools with the biggest disparities, IS prices range from $16K (New College FL) to $30K (UCSC). Among schools with the smallest disparities, IS prices range from $15K (Wisconsin-LaCrosse) to $26K (Ramapo NJ). It is the OOS prices that account for most of the range in IS-OOS disparities. </p>
<p>I’m inclined to believe the biggest disparities reflect greater OOS market demand for certain universities (Berkeley, Michigan, UNC, Texas, UVa, Wm&Mary), not the greater generosity of their state legislatures.</p>