<p>And it sounds like he went to a terrible inner-city school in CA, so even though he didn't have a great support network he was still able to achieve a great deal in HS (even if he didn't get the SAT scores).</p>
<p>Test</a> Score Ratings for Dinuba High School - Dinuba, California - CA</p>
<p>It is extremely disheartening to know that some people are so incredibly ignorant.</p>
<p>If the admissions committee believed that a student lacked the capabilities to perform well at a top institution, they would not be admitted. Test scores aren't everything. end of discussion.</p>
<p>Dinuba is a small city, really a town, of 16,000 people (majority Hispanic) about 30 miles SE of Fresno. Lots of assumptions on CC that all badly underperforming high schools are in the inner city. Fact is, some of the nation's worst schools are in rural or rural/suburban areas. And not just in flyover country. New York and California have some truly poor schools in communities that Angelinos and Manhattanites consider "quaint" and "bucolic."</p>
<p>Lol, well of course he had something going for him (his leadership). However we were just making the point that an Asian applicant shouldn't use this as their "minimum" SAT score because race is a factor. (He does have a HECK load of leaderships though!)</p>
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I have sometimes let that feeling creep into my mind that if a brilliant student did get in, and they happen to be a URM, people credit his/her success to the URM status and all their work sort of... meant nothing.
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Well, that person doesn't know if being a URM was a factor in his/her admission. So he/she mite have perfect scores and GPA and great ECs...but the truth is if he/she was asian he/she mite not have gotten in. So you never know. And if you really hate AA just don't check off your race.</p>
<p>Hi guys! See! I told everyone a long time ago (in the Harvard forum!) that a friend of mine was admitted to Harvard with a 24 ACT! HE WAS AN AMAZING LEADER IN HIGH SCHOOL... AND IS AN AMAZING PERSON IN LIFE. I think that's what it comes down to.... a good person. Not a great test taker! =) </p>
<p>Oh, I hope you don't think I'm 'yelling' because I used capitals... I'm just glad this forum was made because when I posted that a long time ago.... I was called a troll. =( lol.</p>
<p>Taking race into account for admissions decisions IS racist, there is no doubt in my mind. Whether a minority applicant is denied or accepted based on race, even in part, IS racist. For example, when the time comes for Barak Obama's kids to apply to college, under the current system they would get a "preference" simply because they are 75% black. However, I would like to see anybody argue with a straight face that they will experience any hardship in life.</p>
<p>Taking socio-economic background into account when making a college admissions decision is the correct thing to do. A white kid from the deep backwaters of Missouri or the hills of West Virginia deserves the same kind of extra consideration as the black or Hispanic kid from an inner city neighborhood. While it is no longer acceptable to openly bash ethnic characteristics of blacks or Hispanics, it is still perfectly OK to lampoon "rednecks".</p>
<p>Unfortunately, race is too often used as a proxy for socio-economic circumstances by lazy administrators, which causes most of the hard feelings on both sides of the debate. The kid who got into Stanford with 1700 from an ugly inner city neighborhood and managed to overcome all the mayhem and despair around him is AMAZING, and will be such whether he was black, Hispanic, or white.</p>
<p>Finally, it is always amazing to see people argue that Asians are over-represented in schools and therefore not discriminated against. May I remind people of the interring of Japanese Americans during WWII? Or the derision that continues to be heaped upon lower class Chinese immigrants to this day?</p>
<p>^Barack Obama's kids would not get an advantage because they are black, they would get an advantage because their father is Barack Obama, but I see your point.</p>
<p>^^ But actually... from people who don't know they are Barack's kids, they might experience racism nonetheless.</p>
<p>I know a former-MIT professor, black, who was once stopped by police officers and taken off a train, essentially because he was black: </p>
<p>"I was on the underground train at the MIT stop. Outside, on the platform, I could see several policemen looking at me. I sensed what was coming next, so I held up the book I was reading, Enumerative Combinatorics (a book written by MIT professor Richard Stanley; shortly thereafter I would solve a mathematical problem that he had posed in 1981). Soon enough, the doors opened and about six policemen came in, grabbed my arm, and escorted me off the train.</p>
<pre><code>On the platform, I shouted that I was an associate professor of mathematics at MIT, which I kept repeating, so that passengers could hear. I gave the police numbers of MIT personnel whom they could call to confirm that I was a professor, but the police did not release me for about 20 minutes. The reason? The police said I resembled a bank robber.
It’s easy to see why they didn’t believe me (and not just because Enumerative Combinatorics is the Bible for black bank robbers): in my four years as an undergraduate, I never had a black professor.
The police acted as they did, and MIT has few African-American professors, because of the same underlying reason, the same reason why a professor can assert, on the first day of class, that blacks are genetically suited to play baseball, and no one in the packed room (except me) walks out; the same reason that the late Richard Herrnstein, co-author of The Bell Curve - a pseudo-scientific diatribe that, like Watson, asserts the genetic inferiority of blacks to whites - could teach at Harvard."
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<p>(from World’s</a> Top Black Mind on Racism in America | Young Black Professional Guide)</p>
<p>And this was in Boston, imagine what things might be like for blacks in more traditionally racist areas. So, I would argue that racism still exists, no matter who the person is. Whether AA solves this, or is really fair to non-URMs, is another matter...</p>
<p>AA is more racialist than racist.</p>
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Dinuba is a small city, really a town, of 16,000 people (majority Hispanic) about 30 miles SE of Fresno. Lots of assumptions on CC that all badly underperforming high schools are in the inner city. Fact is, some of the nation's worst schools are in rural or rural/suburban areas. And not just in flyover country. New York and California have some truly poor schools in communities that Angelinos and Manhattanites consider "quaint" and "bucolic."
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<p>Sorry. I know where Dinuba is. Freudian slip I guess.</p>
<p>I would like to think that nobody here would attend a school that is fundamentally racist right?</p>
<p>So if you truly hate AA and think it is racist, don't apply to Harvard, because you don't want to go there and you can probably stop posting on this board.</p>
<p>If you apply to Harvard anyway then you must not truly think AA is racist and just like to say it because you read it somewhere. </p>
<p>In which case you are a self-interested hypocrite who only cares about what happens to them as opposed to the state of society.</p>
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I would like to think that nobody here would attend a school that is fundamentally racist right?
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I think people would rather attend a school that would give them a good job and a high starting salary even if it was racist. sorry.</p>
<p>People are always getting cranky on these boards. Just smile!</p>
<p>AA obviously has pros and cons.... but there is no need to become rude when discussing issues. =)</p>
<p>I was reading a book on college admissions and an athlete got in with a 2.25 GPA.</p>
<p>First we must define racism.</p>
<p>If we define it as: a partiality that prevents objective consideration of an issue or situation based on race......then AA is racist</p>
<p>If we define it as: the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races.......then AA is not racist</p>
<p>However the question of whether or not AA is fair is completly subjective, untill society moves away from racism (which does not seem to be soon)</p>
<p>pinklady12490</p>
<p>I read that same book "How to get into Harvard" ... or something along those lines.</p>
<p>jeez can everybody shut up about AA! it's ridiculous that a majority of the people (on both sides) are debating something they don't even understand.</p>
<p>the Supreme Court has ruled quotas of ANY kind unconstitutional. however, the Supreme Court did rule that seeking a diverse student body (racially, economically, geographically, etc.) is a legitimate goal. (some people who oppose AA will say that diversity is not a legitimate goal because either diversity does not matter or that diversity will naturally happen. the first stance is incredibly ignorant, and the second stance is just somewhat ignorant. i would like to think that people reading this will be intelligent enough to figure out why both of these stances are foolish/ignorant so that i don't have to make a super long post.)</p>
<p>now using this information, how do you all think that colleges achieve the goal of having a racially diverse school? by considering race i.e. asking for applicants for their ethnicity. AA is used the same exact way that recs, ECs, socioeconomics, geography, and essays are used.</p>
<p>one questin</p>
<p>how is race determined?</p>
<p>^application</p>
<p>Someone at my school got into Brown with a 1620. He was extremely well rounded and involved though. (he was also an Urm; male)</p>