Hello,
I plan to apply to Emory RD for Fall '16. Would applying to Oxford as well hurt my chances of getting into Emory, or are the admissions processes of the two completely separate?
Thank you!
I think they’re separate and applying to Oxford won’t hurt you in any way.
i dont think it would hurt you
no it won’t hurt you
it might hurt you in that if there are stronger applicants but admissions officers still see something unique in you and want you to attend their university, you will only be accepted to Oxford and not Emory
@emoryeagle19 At least the applicant will have the option to attend Oxford if they really want to go to Emory I don’t see a reason in why not to apply to Oxford. I applied to both Oxford and Emory although I never really thought about going to Oxford it was still a nice back up to have just incase I got rejected from Emory.
I think other research like Universities that may be as or slightly less selective (but similar to) than Emory are better choices. Why? Because many interested in Atlanta and Emory and Research 1 university are not remotely interested in an LAC-like experience in an isolated area of metro. Atlanta. If one cannot see themselves at even a mid to high tier LAC, there is no reason they should be able to see themselves at Oxford just for access to Emory. Many documents suggest that this is exactly the thing Oxford wants changed during recruiting. It actually wants more people who actually want that sort of experience or who are legit open to it. They don’t want those merely willing to jump through the hoop to get to Emory. They likely want a greater share of students who don’t apply to main in the first place.
No
It wouldn’t necessarily hurt to apply but like @bernie12 said, the admission office is probably wanting to find people who are seriously interested in the “Oxford experience”, so to speak. If I were you, I would look at the campus and seriously consider whether or not you would enjoy the environment Oxford has to offer before applying. If you cannot see yourself there and would merely use it as a means to get to main, you might not have the best experience if you get accepted and elect to attend the Oxford campus.
@emoryeagle19 that’s exactly what I thought.
Thank you for your responses. @bernie12 @SuperStar101 @thecoolboy1234
Out of curiosity, does anyone have any hard data on cross admits as between the Oxford and Emory College campuses.
The admitted stats last year for the two campuses were very similar with a slight edge to Emory College, which suggests they’re looking for similar academic ability.
Oxford’s admitted stats has increased dramatically over the past ten years.
In 2005, the interquartile range for ACT scores was 22 - 27. Last year (2015), they were 29 - 33.
Merit based scholarships for incoming freshmen and for rising sophomores at Oxford are substantial especially in light of the small class size.
Further, Oxford is recruiting more junior faculty from the ranks of highly regarded graduate programs like the Ivies and Caltech.
Oxford College - perhaps even more so than Emory College - wants to create an actively engaged, community oriented student body. Many of the top merit based scholarships to rising sophomores at Oxford College go to students who are actively engaged in the school and community, as well as high performers in their classes.
Oxford’s introductory science classes (biology, chemistry, physics) typically include around 25 students. This compares to 300+ per class even at the Ivies that are more undergraduate focused like Princeton.
The small number of students at Oxford means that students with an interest can become leaders in student run clubs or student government very easily.
The above are some of the reasons you might want to consider Oxford. If they don’t appeal to you, then obviously you shouldn’t apply.
As for @astroboy249 and his question, someone who doesn’t want to go to a particular college shouldn’t apply there. I’ve never seen any evidence that applying to Oxford College lowers your chances of admission to Emory College or vice versa.
However, not applying to Oxford does lower your chances of admission to Emory University, because such admission has 2 avenues (Oxford College and Emory College) and foregoing one logically means you’re less likely to be admitted to Emory University.
It’s similar to those universities like NYU (and many others) where you have to choose the school or schools within NYU that you want to attend. Those schools are located on different physical campuses as well (like Oxford and Emory Colleges). Applying to more schools within NYU increases your chances of admission to NYU. If there’s only one school at NYU, you’re willing to attend, then that’s the only school to which you should apply.
There are many documents out describing this in detail as Oxford is in the midst of strategic planning (as is all of Emory). I’ll PM you one of those documents, but I do believe like 78-80% of students are cross-applicants, but most are still not admitted to main (main is protective of its stats but not as protective as peer institutions although AP may have something to do with it because only 58% of Oxford students come in with AP credits).
To answer @astroboy249 's question, you’d have to compare the Emory College admission rates for (a) students who applied to Emory College and Oxford College v. (b) students who applied only to Emory College - controlling for SAT/ACT scores, GPA, extracurriculars.
@bernie12 I’ve heard from some of my peers and professors talking about how Emory wanted to make Oxford College their honors college/program. You heard anything about that?
Could you PM me some of those documents too?
@thecoolboy1234 : No…never heard that proposal. That also just doesn’t make sense. For that to be successful, you’d have to have a threshold of students willing to study over there first or, less sensible, in their last years. Also, typically private schools do not have honors colleges. Like Emory does not award Latin Honors based on grades and a special set of courses. You must do an honors thesis in your major. Most people would need a lab to facilitate that. Oxford is a very small LAC like environment with very limited research capabilities and infrastructure in comparison to main campus, so such a rumor is rather ludicrous.
As an Oxford College student, I can say I’ve never heard anything about that proposal either. It probably is just a rumor and as mentioned above, many things at Oxford would need to be changed in order for this to be remotely feasible (which in my opinion it is most definitely not so and should not even be considered).
@thecoolboy1234 What is actually happening to Oxford right now are the big questions of: How to deal with increased enrollment and providing courses necessary for the many pre-professional students (or those intending majors where there are not many courses offered at Oxford) to continue to main campus and not be “behind”. Another major one is marketing and curriculum. These two are ultimately tied together. They are trying to figure out if they should further diverge from the model of Emory College (as in be more distinct from it) or stay as they are and make enhancements (as in, no radical change from their already distinct curriculum, but make the curriculum more streamlined to main and more enriched in other ways). Oxford is for example re-evaluating the INQ requirement and thinking of ways to expand it or incorporate it into a newer, less restrictive curricular initiative that may increase access to and encourage more experiential and Theory-Practice based learning opportunities (which Oxford is already excellent at). They are trying to do both that and also trying to expand the abundance of INQ level courses (so that students aren’t limited to a certain set in certain fields, kind of like how main campus’s economics department offers many upper-level courses each semester with a version that counts as a continued writing and another that does not, they are trying to something like this but spread it across more depts.).
Fortunately, due to Oxford’s size, it is more easy for them to make plans and start moving in a particular direction than Emory College which can really only do certain widespread changes at the division or departmental level and even that is often pulling teeth. The quickest I’ve seen any department respond to pressure to change their curriculum for example, is the political science department and physics…I guess, but more so political science which now has more of an emphasis of training students to do research in the field so now requires a specialty created by an intermediate course and a subsequent research based advanced course in the sub-field. Apparently it is most similar to Stanford’s model. Chemistry department changes…God bless their souls. I would be very surprised if anything particularly new (although apparently ochem lab will carry two credit hours starting the summer, though I do not understand why unless it will meet twice in the fall or is becoming a writing requirement. Anything else is just cheating in terms of the credit hours and the money being charged to students during the summer) rolls out this upcoming fall other than the general chemistry sections remaining flipped as they are now…really hard to get those folks to agree on any changes or to have changes and decision making that is reasonable. I applaud physics and political science for pulling their somewhat small but important changes off.
Decision: Rejected- ED to both colleges
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