<p>“And being the western, capitalist, free market kind of girl I am, it doesn’t escape notice that members of one culture go to considerable personal sacrifice to get a piece of the other culture because the opportunities in their culture are so limited. But amazingly that’s not a two way street.”</p>
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<p>That’s the diamond in the rough category, India’s equivalent of Affirmative Action. Like I said, it is a cruel joke to let these kids in by lowering the academic entry bar, and then kick them out when they can’t keep up. It would have been far better if these kids went to a college where they could actually compete, or not have gone to college at all.</p>
<p>There are a lot more Chinese than Indians.</p>
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<p>If you want to get a job in India let me know. I can put you in touch with people who can help you.</p>
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<p>By an extension of that logic, why not give a college degree for free to everyone? What kind of utter nonsense it is that unless you meet the entry standards of some American University, you shouldn’t get to go to college and/or have a nice job/life? What a narrow, win-lose mentality.</p>
<p>Before we get all hot-and-bothered at the IIT expulsions, remember we are talking about a total of 12 students. 12. (At the Ivies, they’d be getting “gentleman’s B’s”.) There weren’t 12 the year before, or the year before. There weren’t 20% (or anything close to that) at any of the other campuses. Even presuming there were 20, that’s slightly more than 1%.</p>
<p>So 20%, for whatever the reason, get expelled, and several suicide. Either way, thats a far worse outcome than the small percent that either take time off or transfer or what have you from the ivys. Retention rates and 4 year graduation rates at the ivys are quite high. But no doubt we’ll hear that its because the classes at the ivys are so easy and such a joke compared to the tech schools.</p>
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<p>Our Indians follow the specs and only surprise us when the quit mid-delivery. Our Chinese don’t follow the specs, usually are not very cooperative about sharing what they find out, and often waste our time arguing about the specs as well 
Our Western Europeans are very good but very costly, our Eastern Europeans are very good and will be as costly as our Westerns, and our Mexicans are pretty good and in our time zone for a change. Our befuddled Americans all spend countless hours on the phone and on IM making sure all the pieces fall in place.</p>
<p>Gotta love Globalization :-)</p>
<p>Edit: And now you know why I have been given honorary Indian citizenship by all my (local and India based) Indian buddies :-)</p>
<p>Have to admit, I haven’t followed this thread at all, but if you are looking to get a degree overseas, here’s another option: Education City in Qatar.
(Has many fine university programs-- Cornell, Carnegie Mellon, Texas A&M, Georgetown, etc. have programs there.)</p>
<p>Mini
This article [Expulsion Of Sc/ST Student From IIT Delhi :: Education, Careers & Professional News](<a href=“http://news.education4india.com/4124/expulsion-of-scst-student-from-iit-delhi/”>HugeDomains.com) says there were 20 expulsions out of 100 students. Thats a lot, IMO.</p>
<p>If only they all spoke better English!</p>
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<p>I think we are facing some math challenges here (not surprising given the US education standards). The class size of 500, of which 100 are provisional entries. If they can’t keep up, they are gone. That’s the deal. Of the 100 provisional entries, 20 are gone. That’s a 0% kicked out rate among the regular entries (as expected, they came through the rigors of the entrance exam), 4% rate overall, and 20% among the provisionals. That’s why it is a cruel joke that is played on the provisionals.</p>
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<p>Even on these forums, STEM majors are commonly stereotyped as social misfits, not well rounded, etc…</p>
<p>The quality of the Indian education system, however, is dropping. To meet the deamdns of the offshoring/outsourcing industry, many colleges have sprung up which have no such entry requirements like the IITs. The kids who go there and get a degree are really uneducated for all practical purposes. This is what happens when a country lowers the education bar.</p>
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<p>What in the world is that!?</p>
<p>I agree. the number of for-profit institutions, springing up on every street corner, is shocking. (though, surprisingly, there are some good ones as well!) One thing you learn quickly as a foreigner living in India - everything you can say about India is true, and so is it’s opposite!</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.groundreport.com/World/Delhi-IIT-to-Review-Expulsion-of-12-Scheduled-Cast/2863385[/url]”>http://www.groundreport.com/World/Delhi-IIT-to-Review-Expulsion-of-12-Scheduled-Cast/2863385</a></p>
<p>There were 12 scheduled caste students expelled. On all the campuses combined, there are (I believe) a little under 2,000 first years. If there were 20, it is slightly over 1%. </p>
<p>A “gentleman’s B” (to be fair, it is a B-minus) is what my d. at Princeton gives a student who shows up for all classes, participates in discussions, does all assignments, and passes the final, without learning hardly a thing. (She does flunk some students - who don’t show up, and there is a rare, a really rare “C”.)</p>
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<p>I think it is the parents who foster this. We have had parents in their 40s and 50s talking on this board about 10 year old math nerds. It comes from a deep level of insecurity.</p>
<p>“About the dropout rates from the Elites, it’s about 5 percent. I would expect it to be 0 percent.”</p>
<p>“4% rate overall,”
Hmmmmmmmmm, so a 4% rate of accepted students is ok in country A is ok, but a 5% rate in another country [ where thousands of students from country A seek admission] is a sign of lowered standards? </p>
<p>quite a double standard here…</p>
<p>Parent1986, I have no idea how you took my comment that members of one culture often make personal sacrifices to get into the other culture but not vice versa into “being concerned that the US is being outdone by Indians.” There is no logical leap from my sentence to yours.</p>