<p>You can’t request one, but if they need to, they’ll contact you for one.</p>
<p>Does anyone know if Philovitist got in?! I enjoyed reading his posts</p>
<p>lol, didn’t you call me haughty?</p>
<p>^^ Any good news Philo? How did that book work out for you?</p>
<p>philo’s results are the only ones that matter :p</p>
<p>hope you got in d00d.</p>
<p>Philo probs got in, if I remember he was a URM (black).</p>
<p>Accepted! Was going to post stats in the thread, but voted against it. When I read stats threads last year, they only scared me. Yale judges each applicant in the context of their particular situation; it’s such a hard process to generalize. Congrats to all accepted students. Rejected and deferred students: better times are coming soon!</p>
<p>P.D. Also, I can’t believe what happened in CT today… truly something to put all of this in perspective, for all outcomes good and bad.</p>
<p>@arinda haha I studied a pretty good amount, and Latin’s always been my best or one of my best subjects. And yes that is what my name is.</p>
<p>I was really upset by my deferral at first, as you would be able to tell by my general comment in the Results thread. However, after about two hours of being overdramatic, I realized a deferral isn’t that bad. There are two ways into Yale: SCEA and RD, both of which yield about 50% of the class. For those of us who are deferred, this isn’t a “glorified rejection”; we’re taking a shot at getting into Yale through the other way in. Yeah, it may only be an 8% acceptance rate as opposed to 14.4%, but remember: Yale admitted fewer SCEA students than in previous years (I think!). This leaves more RD spots, and with the options we have in front of us as applicants who get a secondary review, we can definitely do this.</p>
<p>Good luck to everyone, and sorry for being so negative in the Results thread! Have Hope; we could all use it, and come April 1 we will prove just what great applicants we are, no matter what the SCEA result was.</p>
<p>That being said, huge congrats to all the accepted applicants!</p>
<p>HI! I just peeked in here after reading all of the Official Results thread cuz I was looking for Philovitist! Hadn’t seen his results around anywhere and was wondering… I noticed that you guys were wondering, too! </p>
<p>I am a parent from the Duke ED thread, where I believe Philo said perhaps he wished he had gone ED because he wouldn’t need to stress out about decisions as much? 
Just curious how it all played out! :)</p>
<p>Greetings – I posted this in the Results Thread, and then realized it probably is better placed in this Discussion Forum. So, my apologies that it appears on two places. I truly hope it will generate some constructive and thoughtful dialogue.</p>
<p>Let me start by saying that my son was deferred, and like many of you, has terrific qualifications. He also was initially bummed, but picked himself right up and will move on. As someone who has had quite a degree of professional success, and personal satisfaction out of life, I know far too well that where you went to college has little to do with that – what you do with your college education is what matters.</p>
<p>I want to genuinely congratulate all of you who did get accepted. The Results Thread shows that you are interesting, unique, and amazing people, and will create an exceptional class.</p>
<p>For the rest of you, here’s something to consider and often leaves me scratching my head. It’s often left unstated…but the time has come to put it out there:</p>
<p>Why would a College Admissions Officer choose to defer someone who truly has the qualifications and the passion to attend a university (if they applied early) over selecting someone else who really had the passion to attend another university but got rejected? Herein, I believe, lies a significant flaw with this process. Perhaps a college admissions officer will respond to this comment. As someone who is a senior human resources officer in a Fortune 100 organization, I know that our best employees are often those who first and foremost want to be there. It’s what they dreamed of doing…it’s their passion.</p>
<p>I am not sour grapes…College Admissions Officers have to make quick and difficult decisions. They clearly ‘get it right’ with so many of the acceptances they offer, as I see in the Results Threads. However, the idea that we need to defer so many in order to see if ‘someone better’ comes through the regular application pool is truly flawed, in my humble opinion. College Admissions Departments should reconsider this strategy, which can only be initiated by the Director of Admissions and university administrations. With all due respect, the people who read your applications are typically more junior Admissions Counselors in the department, who are on their way to growing and developing great careers, but have not yet reached positions where they have the influence to adjust or change this thinking in College Admissions strategy.</p>
<p>I wish you all great success…you all deserve it. Frankly, I truly believe many of you will achieve that, no matter where you end up. Best of success and more importantly, attain great happiness in life!</p>
<p>Being deferred is maddening – you’re not in, you’re not out. Deferred applicants need to be proactive. At the same time, however, deferred applicants need to move-on and start thinking about other colleges on their list. To quote Jeffrey Brenzel: "There is only one good answer to make to any thin envelope you may receive: “Your loss, baby.”</p>
<p>The below advice is from Michele Hernandez, who was an Admissions Director at Dartmouth about ten years ago. She has also written several books on the college applications process, including “A Is for Admission: The Insider’s Guide to Getting into the Ivy League and Other Top Colleges” and “Acing the College Application: How to Maximize Your Chances for Admission to the College of Your Choice.”</p>
<p>[What</a> To Do If You Were Deferred - Application Boot Camp](<a href=“http://www.applicationbootcamp.com/2009/01/what-to-do-if-you-were-deferred/]What”>http://www.applicationbootcamp.com/2009/01/what-to-do-if-you-were-deferred/)</p>
<p>"If you are one of the applicants in this [deferred] pool, the odds of catching their eye in March are not great, but if you want to have any chance at all, make sure that you are an ACTIVE defer. Write a letter reaffirming that the college is still your first choice, send an extra letter of recommendation, make sure your grades go up and send your next round of grades, send updates about what you are doing in school — in short, be a PRESENCE. The only deferred kids who end up being accepted are those who make themselves into polite pests. Of course it depends upon why you were deferred in the first place, but rest assured that if you do nothing and send nothing, you will not be accepted.</p>
<p>More specifically, by the middle of February, draw up a one-page letter reaffirming your interest in the college, and then submit a bullet-point list of all the earth-shattering news/awards that you have won. Also, it can help to have senior year teachers send extra (not many – 1-2, no more) letters of recommendation to the school as well. Finally, your school should call on your behalf and push your case. That is about the only way a deferred candidate gets in since the odds are only about 5% depending on the school. In short, ACTIVE deferrals have a chance — those who do nothing will definitely NOT get in."</p>
<p>Gibby, what you are suggesting is certainly a good idea, but my D did absolutely nothing to add to her app after being deferred, aside from sending the required mid-year grades. She simply assumed she would be rejected in spring, and moved on. She was quite surprised when she got in.</p>
<p>CIEE83: I’m just passing along advice from a former Admissions Director; I’m sure many students, like your daughter, are admitted doing nothing as well. I guess it all depends on what additional information a student has to submit.</p>
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<p>…The book had nothing to do with getting me in…</p>
<p>So…I was deferred. (No, being black doesn’t make you a shoo-in. -_-)</p>
<p>But boy, am I feeling insecure right now. ^_^</p>
<p>My application is relatively weak in every way besides my test scores + race and (I thought…) essays. Midyear report should show improvement…I’ll do some research to find other ways to make me more competitive.</p>
<p>In the end, though, my head is spinning, wondering how I screwed up such a good opportunity. Maybe maybe any of you could look at my app and help me pinpoint weaknesses to work on? Things that didn’t help as much as they could’ve?</p>
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<p>Sooooooo many deferred!!</p>
<p>Sorry, Gibby - I misspoke – didn’t mean to say it was your advice. I was just struck by the absolutism of Hernandez’s pronouncement: “…those who do nothing will DEFINITELY not get in.” I suspect success rates of deferred candidates vary widely across institutions, depending on whether they are ED or EA, and what the schools’ deferral policies are. I am even suspicious that deferred candidates at Yale may have a slightly better chance than the rest of the RD pool, having already survived one cut. The RD admit rate is lower than the overall rate, but on the SCEA pledge thread, for 2 out of 3 years deferred students had a higher admit rate than the overall RD pool. Last year, if memory serves, it was 7-8%, vs around 5 for the RD pool as a whole. Pledge numbers seem to correlate reasonably well with the pool overall, but admittedly the deferred → admit are very small numbers.</p>
<p>DadInMass wrote: “As someone who is a senior human resources officer in a Fortune 100 organization, I know that our best employees are often those who first and foremost want to be there. It’s what they dreamed of doing…it’s their passion.”</p>
<p>This is only my guess but being part of the recruitment process (myself being recruited back in the mid 80s – all the way to now where I give info sessions at various types of schools), I can offer this perspective of why Yale and other super-subscribed early programs defer a good no. of applicants.</p>
<p>It’s no stretch to say about 80% of applicants to HYP have “enough” qualifications to thrive there. Probably a higher amount for EA/ED applicants. That being said, one can’t imagine rejecting 25000 people. Plus many super applicants come from districts and communities where EA/ED is just not a viable, known, or even a trusted system. My alma mater large urban district actively discourages EA, thinking it’s only for “rich white kids”.</p>
<p>Given the varying quality of Yale’s recruiting message out to the target pools, Yale and others know that great kids DO come in during the RD round. Unlike hiring for a private corp, strongly favoring those who demonstrate the most resolve, creativity and adeptness at the application process will shut out many superstar “diamonds in the rough” from traditionally under-represented applicant pools. By adopting a fill up the slots first sort of system, you hugely favor those applicants from better resourced backgrounds. And this doesn’t serve the schools like HYP.</p>
<p>My two cents. GL to your daughter, however!</p>
<p>Philo – don’t take this personally (though I realize that it’s impossible not to at first). Yale clearly thought your application was competitive enough that they want to take a second look at it. There isn’t enough space in the class for everyone who could contribute to the community, and admissions decisions often seem strikingly random. So see what you can do to improve your application for the next round… apply to a school with rolling admissions if you’re really feeling insecure. If you have not had a trusted adult read your essays, do so. It’s very easy to sabotage yourself unintentionally in a college admission essay, and I have seen plenty of talented kids do worse than they expected as a result. Good luck to everybody in the RD round!</p>
<p>Philo, I wouldn’t mind looking over a couple of things. =)</p>