<p>Ranked #5 overall in the WSJ by Recruiters, cited as being the most ethical of business schools. </p>
<p>"In The Wall Street Journal/Harris Interactive survey, recruiters rated Yale M.B.A. graduates as strongest in personal ethics and integrity, well-rounded qualities, awareness of corporate-citizenship issues, and teamwork abilities. Yale received the lowest ratings for its career-services office, the core curriculum, students' international knowledge and their past work experience."</p>
<p>Most people dismiss the WSJ ranking as quirky. They vary from most of the respected rankings (Financial Times, USNews, Businessweek & Forbes) in that they make a positive out of a negative... the "recruiters" who they query value highly MBA grads who are undemanding and willing to work cheap!!</p>
<p>Not surprising that a loyal Bulldogger would say "arf" when he saw them, of course!</p>
<p>I for one think ethical standards are important. And what position do you have to dismiss the Wall Street Journal's Business School Rankings as quirky? </p>
<p>You cite Forbes. Yale ranked 5 in MBA programs on that list
<a href="http://www.forbes.com/lists/2005/95/Rank_1.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.forbes.com/lists/2005/95/Rank_1.html</a></p>
<p>And Financial Times has yale at 9
<a href="http://rankings.ft.com/rankings/mba/rankings.html%5B/url%5D">http://rankings.ft.com/rankings/mba/rankings.html</a></p>
<p>If you weren't blinded by your obsession with Yale then you would see there is something to these rankings, considering that the youngest business program in the ivy is taking the high road in promoting public and non-profit business students. But I guess bostonian has forced you to camp out here while your other sites are flooded with anti-harvard sentiment.</p>
<p>Hey Byerly I agree with you. Last year they dissed Whartonites specifically and this year it came across more generally. If you won't move to Kansas and work in manufacturing for a low salary....well they are gonna talk 'ya down.</p>
<p>Most intersting to me was the online stats about which firms hired how many from a school.....that told much of the story.<br>
<a href="http://www.collegejournal.com/mbacenter/%5B/url%5D">http://www.collegejournal.com/mbacenter/</a></p>
<p>Oh, come on now, Bulldog ... ranked 5th by FORBES in WHAT?</p>
<p>Certainly not post-MBA salary!!!!</p>
<p>The Times 3-year average rank for Yale, at 11th, is a bit generous but not terribly out of line.</p>
<p>Business Week has the Yale program ranked at #22 ...</p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/04/#top30%5B/url%5D">http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/04/#top30</a> ....</p>
<p>and USNews has Yale in a tie with Cornell at #15.</p>
<p>Ranked 5th by FORBES according to the Column marked RANK, i.e. OVERALL RANK. All factors.<br>
Your approach of comparing money post 5 years is shallow. </p>
<p>You're the one who cited Forbes, not me. So don't be a hypocrite and backpedal on your unnecessary reply to my purely informative post. No matter what insecurity drives your need to denigrate anything positive at yale, you can never take away from the fact that over the past 10 years, no matter what a ranking says, Yale's business program has come along way and taken the high road at that. I guess it just really hurts you to know that in two major business journals, Forbes and the WSJ, the lowly newcomer outranks your alma mater.</p>
<p>Your post was not 'purely informative" at all... it was a bragging post quoting a single quirky "ranking" which is notoriously based on the willingness of a program's grads to work cheap, and failing to acknowledge how far out of line that ranking was compared to more respected rankings.</p>
<p>In this sense, your post was propaganda - excusable, perhaps, from a dedicated Bulldogger, but propaganda nevertheless.</p>
<p>so of course, if yale outranks harvard in anything, those publications, must be propaganda. Or they must be wrong because the WSJ and Forbes are not "respected!" Preposterous. Of course, its all some sort of plot! Or maybe, as you do when you post your ridiculous news items on all of the boards, you were proud of your alma mater and thought that such a post would provide information (in this case, Yale being recognized for ethics) to someone else interested in the institution.</p>
<p>Who said anything about Harvard? A very revealing remark on your behalf, however. Like so many fervid Bulldoggers, you have Harvard on the brain, going so far - in this pathetic instance - to woof about a notoriously quirky "ranking" that places the Yale MBA program higher than some others based - rather embarrassingly - on the willingness of the grads to work cheap!!</p>
<p>I think you need to consider - and act on the advice given in this exerpt from a perceptive YDH editorial:</p>
<p>"Time for Yale to question rivalry</p>
<p>BY COLLEEN KINDER
Let's be honest: President Richard Levin's, GRD '74, speeches usually put us to sleep. If there was ever a moment when Levin's oration evoked a powerful response from the student body, it was in 1997, when he said two words that caused an entire auditorium of Yalies to go absolutely berserk: Harvard sucks.
You can find these words anywhere on the Yale campus. They are plastered onto bulletin boards, etched into wooden desks, and printed on t-shirts. We have made them the mantra of our college years, and by now, "sucks" follows "Harvard" in common conversation as easily as it does "Bush."
We students are not the only ones guilty of allowing Harvard to obsess our minds. The Administration seems haunted by its influence. Policies are changed not because change is long overdue, but because the other Ivies, namely Harvard, are changing theirs. These changes may be necessary to stay competitive with our rivals and to attract the best students, but no one can deny that comparison is often taken too far. We evaluate every miniscule facet of Yale life in light of Harvard; perhaps one of the most ridiculous examples is a 1998 Yale Daily News article entitled, "Harvard beats Yale in the race for two-ply toilet paper" [YDN, 1/27/98].
I have never understood why Yale feels a compulsion to constantly compare itself to Harvard. When I came to Yale, I first assumed that the Harvard obsession originated in bitterness at being rejected from the school. But I came to realize that most people chose Yale over Harvard because of genuine preference, not by default.
So if it's not bitterness, what is behind our fierce anti-Harvard sentiment? Trying to figure it out, I thought of a question someone in my hometown once asked me: "Why would you go to Yale if you could go to Harvard?" This question infuriated me, because I knew he had never stepped on either campus, nor did he have any concept of what either school had to offer. Somehow, most likely by virtue of age, Harvard has been ingrained in the American mind as No. 1. Levin, our skillfull orator, put it best when he said, "Harvard deserves its high ranking only when judged by the silly criteria of small-minded people." Yale didn't make it onto the Saved By the Bell episode when Zack Morris was being hunted down by top colleges. Harvard did (in the form of Max, dressed up in a suit and with a bad accent). Public opinion constantly second-guesses the greatness of the school we know to be the greatest. The result: an inferiority complex that manifests itself in intense hatred of Harvard.
It is tempting to counter doubts about Yale's status by tearing down Harvard's. But frankly, adopting a "Harvard Sucks" mantra makes us look lame more than anything else. It is easy to mistake an inferiority complex for inferiority. In an editorial entitled "Always Second Best," the Crimson applauded us for "proudly carrying the banner of inferiority all these years" [Crimson, 11/19/99].
It is also tempting to point out all the ways Yale is better than Harvard. But it is time we broke out of the confining comparison trap and started proclaiming our merits simply by proclaiming our merits. For example, at the Tercentennial celebration at the Yale Bowla definitive moment of our school's gloryI didn't hear the H-word once. We ultimately do ourselves a better service by appreciating what we have, rather than comparing ourselves to what we chose not to have. "</p>
<p>You are the ultimate harvard troll and that is why you are compelled to reply to even the most benign posts that might put yale in a good light - You're the one who brought it here to the post, since you are by definition the worst harvard troll out there. Look at the OP! I never compared yale and harvard in any way. Your actions belie a deep insecurity about yale - and my remark was explaining such. You couldn't stand having yale above harvard. And where do you spend half your time? Here, as always, in the YALE FORUM!!! How uninsightful and regressive for someone of your age to blame others with the insecure maladies that plague you. Textbook DSM IV transference, with possible axis 2 OCPD, see a shrink.</p>
<p>Touched a nerve, did we?</p>
<p>Yale is a very fine school, IMHO; very likely one of the top five. </p>
<p>You needn't feel at all defensive about your affiliation with it, Bulldog.</p>
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<p>Come on, crimsonbulldog. I think even you suspect that the WSJ ranking is dodgy. Heck, think of Alexandre, our well known Michigan graduate. Even he fully admits that ranking Michigan #2 (and #1 last year) is very sketchy. Even he fully admits that he doesn't really believe that the Michigan Ross School of Business is 12 places better than is HBS. </p>
<p>Furthermore, I think you have to admit that there is something a bit strange about a ranking that would put USC in front of HBS or MITSloan or Stanford. I think very few people are going to turn HBS, Sloan, or Stanford to go to USC for business school.</p>
<p>Gentlemen, gentlemen, a little civility.</p>
<p>Yale is a great school, and for a young MBA program, it is doing exceptionally well.
It's career office does suck, but a shakeup there is expected to make things much better for the next few graduating classes.
Over the next few years, Yale will definitely jump in both college and MBA rankings.</p>
<p>I'll be waiting to see how it goes in the next few years. I can agree that the Yale SoM is doing well for being so young, but as AC/DC once said, it's a LONG way to the top if you want to rock & roll. Specifically, it's going to be a while before the Yale SoM can punch at the same weight as schools like HBS, Wharton or MITSloan.</p>
<p>The 2001 Wall Street Journal ranking has Yale at #3 in the country overall, while Harvard comes in at #8.</p>
<p>I'm not going to defend this ranking since its from Princeton Review, but, for what's its worth, and probably not much:</p>