Yet another "what are my chances" post

Hi everyone,

As said in the title, we’re in for yet another wall of text describing some random guy’s academic life so far and asking for an estimate of my chances of getting into a good grad school. I do understand that posts of that kind are already pilling up by the million and that charts of top unis’ acceptance rates are easy to find, but there are a few details in my case that make me wish for a more specific answer.

This is probably going to be a pretty boring post, so my thanks in advance to those who will take the time to read it, and hopefully come with an answer. So, let’s begin.

General Profile: European chemistry student, currently completing a Master’s in a top 5 UK university

My objective: becoming a successful researcher in chemistry - more specifically, in chemical biology and medicinal chemistry. By “successful”, I mean having achieved a good position, preferentially in the USA, UK or Canada, and a level of recognition that provides me with the means needed to conduct decent research and a not-too-broke lifestyle.

My target; Being about to finish my Master’s, I have been looking for a PhD position in the field I am interested in. Unfortunately, I recently (and way too late) came to the realisation that a crushing majority of successful academics I look up to are:

  • Holding position in either the US big twelve (MIT, Harvard, Berkeley, Stanford, Princeton, Chicago, Caltech, Rockfeller, Scripps, Columbia, Yale, Northwestern) or in Oxbridge.
  • Alumni of either a top-notch US grad school (as listed above, with a strong majority of Berkeley-MIT-Harvard), Oxbridge or McGill/Toronto.

Because of that point, I now realise that the next best move for my career would be to get into one of these grad schools before it is too late, as my PhD will be my last shot at becoming a proper alumnus of one of these unis.

Before proceeding any further, there’s one thing I’d really like to mention: I DO NOT want to get into these unis for the sake of glory or to prove something about myself. I actually never cared much for brands and auras, and pretty much went where I knew I could get a good education and do the research I wanted. Unfortunately, it became increasingly clear to me as I started entering academic research that this world is a highly deterministic, mob-like one, where networks and pedigree tend to outweight scientific skills when it comes to professional success. The reason I’d like to transfer to a prestigious grad school is purely strategic and, I think, does not emerge from some childish fascination for prestige.

So. To get back to my target: If you are alumni/faculty of one of these schools, or have a relevant experience of the system, I would like your opinion on my chances of getting into the chemistry grad schools of :

  • Harvard
  • MIT
  • Berkeley
  • Stanford
  • Princeton
  • University of Chicago
  • Caltech
  • Columbia
  • Yale
  • The Scripps
  • The Rockfeller Institute
  • Northwestern University

And, out of the US:

  • Oxbridge
  • McGill
  • Uniersity of Toronto

I do understand that the list is massive, and do not expect to get a specific answer for each of these schools.The reason why I am shooting so wide is obviously to increase my chances of getting a position somewhere. Also, considering that grad schools tend to function differently from undergrad admission, with each having its preferences in terms of student background and “inbreeding”, it seems to me that a specific answer would trump a broad entry-rate based estimate.

Detailed profile:

  • Education: European student. Holding two BSc in biology and physical chemistry an a MSci in chemistry from the top university of my country, all obtained with distinction. About to graduate, hopefully first of my class, from a top 5 UK university, thus obtaining a second Master's degree in organic synthesis/chemical biology. Current GPA: 4.0.
  • Research achievements: Over 3 years of research experience in total in a variety of fields (computational physics, neurosciences, synthetic chemistry...). Currently finishing a 18-months long placement in the UK. The research I have done here got my name on a high impact paper, and should yield one if not two more papers before January.
  • Recommendations: Can expect 3 letters of recommendation from UK academic ranging from very high profile to up-and-coming (which might help in the UK, but probably not that much in America).
  • Extracurricular activities: Have worked for 2 years as a volunteer tutor and teacher in ghetto high school.
  • Standardised tests: I have yet to take both the general and chemistry GRE, probably in October after a month of intensive prep. Although its looks like a lot of bother, I am not too scared of these, as I consistently scored around or above the minimal score on past papers without any preparation.

One last thing:

Because of unexpected circumstances, I will have to take a gap year between the end of my master’s and the start of my PhD, as applying in December would only allow me to start during the Fall 2016. The reason to this is infuriating: I had been offered a scholarship and a PhD position I was perfectly happy with here in the UK, only to realise later on that my residency time on British soil rules me out of the funding scheme coming with it. As a result, I lost my position way past the application deadlines for grad schools, and ended up PhD-less for the year to come. Joke’s on me: I should have checked the small prints. Anyway, I intend to use this gap year to get a job in a relevant sector (pharma, biotech…) and volunteer abroad - hopefully it will make this year look like a plus in my application.

Damn. That post was way too long.

Again, thanks to whoever had the patience to read it. The answer to the questions I’m asking here could have a significant impact on a decision I will have to take in the upcoming months.

Actually, you can boil your post down to:

International student
Finishing (2nd) masters at top-5 UK uni
Good course marks, research & publications
No testing done
Wants PhD program in the US or UK in order to get working visa after program completion.
Looking for chances for top programs

It is more common in the UK than the US to apply for a PhD with a Masters already completed. In the UK you are more likely to apply directly to work on a given project within the university, continuing work in which you already have some background. In the US it is common for undergraduates to go straight from undergrad into 5-6 year PhD programs. So, first thing is you need to look at the universities that you are interested in to see if they work with your existing degrees.

You mention in passing that you lost your place in a UK PhD program because of visa issues. Will those issues be a problem next year?

I am also supposing that you are neither a UK nor a US citizen, and that your hope is that the PhD will lead to being eligible for a job in the UK / US / Canada. On that front, frankly, your odds are best in Canada.

Hi Collegemon3717, and thank you for your answer.

Yeah, you can basically sum it up as you did. About the loss of funding:

I am a EU student, with a European visa allowing me to go an study freely anywhere in the EU, UK included. The reason why I lost my funding is not due to visa issues, but to the rather odd way most UK funding schemes are built. Basically, that’s how it works:

  • As a EU student, you are in theory eligible for a huge proportion of UK studentships, which are widely advertised as open to international students. There is, however, a catch: you have to meet residency conditions, which boil down to having spent either less than 12 or more than 36 months on British soil when your PhD starts. Turns out I am currently stuck in the dead zone, as I will be spending my 18th month in the UK in September. Surprisingly enough, even supervisors are often not aware of this condition - which can lead to situations such as mine.

Obtaining a US/Canadian visa should however not be an issue, as requests for study or emigration purposes are usually greenlighted for EU citizens who already have a grad school or job offer in hand. And such a visa wouldn’t be necessary for working in the UK, obviously.

Getting a visa to do your PhD will be no issue in the US, but getting a job after will not be as easy. As too many EU citizens know, a job offer does not greenlight a work visa for the US! Canada would be somewhat easier.

I know that for Oxbridge PhDs you typically approach your potential supervisor directly / unofficially and if your research interests mesh well with theirs- and their funding- then you make the formal application.

Out of curiosity, why do you have 2 undergrad & 2 masters degrees?

Yeah, I know about Oxbridge. I do have a few contacts there already that could help pushing my application next year. Doesn’t make me any less anxious though.

About my degrees: I started my undergrad as a biologist, and realised I was more interested in the chemical aspect of living systems. Problem is: studies are way less flexible in my home country (France) than they are in, say, the US. So in order to enroll for a MSci in chemistry, I needed to get a bachelor’s degree in chemistry first. Only took one year to get it though, as I spent most of my summer catching up on chemistry courses.

As for the second masters, it was a mix of strategy and serendipity. I had spent 4 months in my current UK lab for a summer placement, and really enjoyed it. The supervisor told be he’d like to keep me for an extra year if I wanted to apply for a MRes here (basically, one year of full time lab work plus a few courses). Considering it would give me the opportunity to get a lot of research experience, to become truly fluent in English and to boost my CV (that’s how I got my first paper, and the UK university has a massively better reputation than my unheard-of French uni), I said yeah, why not.

All things considered, that was a very bad move. Not that I didn’t enjoy that year or regret the time spent in pre-PhD programmes (only took 5 years total for the bachelors and masters). But had I known all I know today about the intricacies of the UK funding systems, I would have went straight for the US/Canada instead.

On a side note: you seem to know your bit about the US job market. What do you think of the chances of getting a job in academia for a European candidate?

As much time as you have spent in university settings, you must know that there is not a lot of hiring going on! You will have several advantages- especially if you are willing to be mobile, creative or both. My PhD cohort, who finished in 2007, have been able to get jobs in academia, but they are just starting to get job security (of course, the global economic downturn didn’t help). If you are in a growth area for research that helps a lot. If you are interested in corporate research there is more of that than you might expect. If you are lucky in the post grad fellowship lotteries and/or get attached to a lab that is doing work that is getting funding that helps.

Contacts (yours and your supervisors) help a lot; working on cross-institutional and / or cross-border projects helps as well. My second gig after finishing came from a contact that I made while working on a massive proposal. I contacted one of the ‘experts’ that I had recruited to give the proposal some star power- we didn’t get the funding for the proposal, but he remembered me from the process. You never know where things will lead. But the academic path is hard, and Europe is turning out so many PhDs now that there is a lot of competition chasing not a lot of places.