YouTube Cons, Cautions and Kudos

<p>As I said, YouTube really evolved more after my D left high school. Perhaps if she were in high school now, we may have posted videos from musicals (we have a ton of them from school, theater camp, and so on!!!..these productions were permitted to be videotaped). But once the whole YouTube phenomena grew, she was already in college and so didn’t want her “pre-college” samples posted at that point. Anyway, that’s why all the samples she has online now are not actual musical theater productions because we are no longer allowed to video college or professional shows and so those days for us are over. :frowning: So, she has videos of other things like concerts and so on, and definitely is utilizing YouTube now that she is out of college. During college, the only stuff she had on YouTube, I think, was her a capella group (so that was not hers alone). But if some casting person were to look her up on YouTube, the samples would not be from musicals or in character. However, while my D does have a career in musical theater, she is also pursing a singer/songwriter career at the same time (not MT genre) and so it is good to have samples of that online, but that is original material anyway. Sometimes others have videotaped her work and asked her permission to post it before they did (I definitely think she wants the say as to whether any of her work is online and not let others decide for her). For instance, there was a recent concert that featured three musical theater composers and she was asked to be one of them and the people producing it, videotaped it and did ask her which videos she approved of before they posted it. So, this is different than taking your own videos and posting them. But she has done that too. But as I already wrote, even her own original musical, when it had an Equity production, cannot be put on YouTube, though we took a video for personal archival use (which she had a right to take as it was her work and the cast all agreed to it for this purpose). But she won’t be posting it. Only a promo sampler from very very small excerpts from the show is posted, which is not the same as posting the actual production. I do miss being able to video her musicals, but that’s the way it is and it has been that way ever since she got out of high school. I am actually very surprised to see some BFA programs that post videos from their musicals. I’m not referring to concerts/showcases/cabarets which are different. And my kid did NOT evaluate college programs based on YouTube!</p>

<p>Edit to post 19…yikes, I wrote “formerly trained” when it should have said, “formally trained!”</p>

<p>I am a teacher and I was part of researching and creating a technology magnet from the ground up in my school district. A lot of what we researched and received training in dealt with copyright. Granted, educational uses are different than personal use (which explains some MT programs using snippets of shows for “educational” purposes), but still, copyright issues scare me, especially when our school district can be liable for my ignorance. We are fortunate to have a very skilled librarian, and when I’m in doubt I always ask her. :0)</p>

<p>So. I’m not weighing in on the topic at hand. haha. Searching out your own answers is the best option. :0)</p>

<p>I would say that regarding taping shows, you can pay for a licensing rights to video tape Disney shows through MTI - so maybe some other shows allow taping as well? (But not by folks in the audience - limited to one person affiliated with the production.) I was on a board of a children’s MT group and we paid for the taping rights on several occasions. That doesn’t mean the taped show can be posted on YouTube though.</p>

<p>Speaking of Disney, there is an interesting video created by a college professor that uses Disney clips to create a film that essentially thumbs its nose at the company. Disney is known to really go after copyright offenders and so it makes this movie even more amusing. Search on YouTube for “A Fair(y) Use Tale”</p>

<p>@kksmom5 – I just watched the Fair(y) Use Tale you mentioned. It is brilliant, thanks for sharing it!</p>

<p>Ironically, the only people I’ve ever personally known who are apt to get in any trouble because of YouTube were posting purely original (and boneheaded) videos of friends messing around. These videos will probably haunt them for a lifetime. ;-D</p>

<p>@MomCares - pretty clever huh? Bet that took him FOREVER to create. </p>

<p>It’s funny regarding YouTube, like soozievt said above, there are two sides to its use. My D is at the beginning of her MT journey so I can’t imagine posting her material. On the other hand, we use YouTube A LOT to listen to new songs that my D is introduced to. We have seen MT program’s work posted. Not shows, but cabarets and the like, and they do paint a picture of a program. We have been surprised though. A few months ago we saw a performance (showcase or something like that) of a highly regarded program and it was not good. The singing was not good at all and it was just WEIRD. Don’t know how else to explain it. Luckily, we already had a favorable opinion of this program and chalked that video up to being a fluke. I can see why programs are really careful about what is posted.</p>

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<p>Not to hijack this thread, but this is kind of on the same track. If you want me to post elsewhere I will.</p>

<p>One thing that I’ve wondered about is old music and why some sheet music is still being sold that feels like should be in the Public Domain. I know that copyrights can be renewed, but how can you tell? It seems like a lot of the Cole Porter era music (and even music first copyrighted into the 50s) should be available in this way . . . . I’m thinking that trusts or foundations renew the copyrights? Do you think people are selling sheet music that should be in the PD? Is this even possible?</p>

<p>Due to the “Sono Bono Act” of 1998 (aka the “Mickey Mouse Protection Act”) works created after 1923 are protected by copyright through 2019 and later in many cases. Because of the amounts of money at stake not only for the Disney empire and the Bono estate, but for lots of other lucrative works created in the 1930’s that would be coming up on their release date under the old copyright law, this is an area of intense lobbying in Congress.</p>

<p>My d sang in a cabaret last Apr. that selects singers by audition. Each singer has to garantee five or six guests. Each singer was videoed and had the option of having their songs on You Tube. I was impressed with the quality of the videography. The entire evening was well done and very worthwhile for my d. Each singer had to be at least 21.
My d was a transfer after her sophmore year from a BA in vocal performance to a BFA in musical theatre at a conservatory. She has been playing catch up with her acting and dance. This summer she is attending an acting studio in NYC.
I was prepared to send her to NYC for an audition to this studio in Apr. but she was accepted on the basis of her You Tube video and resume, thereby saving me at least 500.00 dollars in travel expenses. It’s been great to watch her on You Tube and be able to see how these last two years at a conservatory have changed her.</p>

<p>@EmsDad - thanks so much for the added legal info!</p>

<p>@the checkbook (great user name!) - it’s so interesting to hear of a school using YouTube for admissions… but not surprising since many already allow video auditions.</p>

<p>D was just at an audition where the casting directors were all watching YouTube videos on thier phones to make final casting decisions.</p>

<p>She also got a big thrill earlier this week of meeting a performer she’d become a YouTube fan of in 7th grade. :-)</p>

<p>That’s really interesting EmsDad - now I want to investigate more. :0) @thecheckbook (I agree with MomCares, great name!): That is really interesting, and actually makes sense for the folks that are auditioning. It pays to have high quality material go public.</p>

<p>My brother is a composer/arranger with over 400 published works. I always get a kick out of hearing him discuss things like “the Sonny Bono Act,” ASCAP/BMI, etc. He likes to see his works done on youtube, but that’s because he derives most of his revenue from sheet music sales and commissions and not performance royalties.</p>

<p>^^^I was actually thinking about the fact that composers might appreciate the free advertisement. I’d never heard of the “Sonny Bono Act”. Now I’m curious about performance royalties for music and how they compare to PR for musicals and plays. Hmm.</p>

<p>Like EmsDad I have personally heard two composers say they love to see their music performed on YouTube. I’m not sure their publishing companies feel the same way, but in the words of one of the composers “no one is going to buy the rights to a song or show that they’ve never heard of.” Of course they prefer to see high quality performances, but maybe some composers feel that any publicity is good publicity.</p>

<p>One of the composers also said that as far as he’s concerned something is only a meaningful copyright violation if it reduces the value of his copyright, and in his opinion a presence of his songs on YouTube actually enhances the value of his copyright.</p>

<p>I assume that not all composers, and possibly NO publishing companies, share this view.</p>

<p>Do folks have specific MT-related YouTube series or blogs that you especially enjoy? I know D used to love “The Battery’s Down” when she was younger and I think there were others she followed as well.</p>

<p>Any special favorites (I don’t think we’re supposed to post links but you could give YouTube search terms)?</p>

<p>College Confidential’s Terms of Service was revised to now allow links to YouTube, whereas it was not permitted previously. </p>

<p>From the revised Terms of Service:</p>

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<p>[College</a> Confidential - FAQ: College Discussion - TOS & FAQ](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_new_faq_item]College”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_new_faq_item)</p>

<p>“Submissions Only”. Miles better than “The Battery’s Down”.</p>

<p>@alwaysamom – Thanks for the tip! I look forward to checking out " Submissions Only"!</p>

<p>There were some interesting quotes about YouTube in an article that sjstxmom pointed to from another thread…</p>

<p>"YouTube, for instance, has become a go-to research tool on Broadway. A casting director for the hit musical “Billy Elliot” regularly hunts for talented children from their homemade videos on the site. The producers of the new musical “Sleepless in Seattle” added the songwriter Michelle Citrin to their creative team last year after seeing performance numbers that she posted to YouTube. And executives at Disney Theatrical Productions used YouTube to find and compile potential Ariels when “The Little Mermaid” was running.</p>

<p>“I ended up collecting 20 possible Ariels on my YouTube ‘Mermaid’ account, and then Disney executives around the country were able to log on and assess each of them,” said Jen Rudin, a former casting director with Disney Theatricals. That search yielded Megan Campanile, a college student from Cincinnati who ended up on Broadway as an ensemble performer and Ariel understudy in “Mermaid.”</p>

<p>For the musical revue “Sondheim on Sondheim” last year the director James Lapine constructed a montage of “Send in the Clowns” partially from clips he found while browsing for talent on YouTube and Facebook."</p>

<p><a href=“Hopefuls Sing Out From Afar as Broadway Scouts Go Online - The New York Times”>Hopefuls Sing Out From Afar as Broadway Scouts Go Online - The New York Times;

<p>A recent question from a friend reminded me of this old thread, and made me wonder – are any of this years’ applicants are aware of schools looking at prospy’s YouTube videos when considering who to make offers to?</p>

<p>Did anyone submit YouTube videos as part of a school audition process? I know D has been asked to provide YouTube links during two recent non-school audition cycles, so I do see the practice steadily gaining ground.</p>

<p>We did not have any schools ask for a YouTube video but I did actually upload a few on YouTube in case the schools went searching on their own. I have absolutely no idea if anyone in admissions would ever bother to do that but just in case, they were there to be found.</p>

<p>Regional theaters have asked me for YouTube links but not colleges. Specifically, for college auditions I was advised to remove them or hide them along with Facebook.</p>