<p>Many many schools have frats/ students living off campus.
I don’t think requiring all students to live on campus is the answer.</p>
<p>“And the fact that it is a minority fraternity is important because…???” </p>
<p>“Also the fraternity is certainly AA but seems to be a national level. Bill Cosby and Michael Jordan seems to be one of the famous Alumnae.”</p>
<p>Michael Jordan’s father was gunned down. Bill Cosby’s son was gunned down. Pretending that there is not an epidemic of violence robbing this nation of so many of our African-American men is not going to help solve the problem. </p>
<p>Is it relevent that the victims were in a fraternity?</p>
<p>Is it relevent that they were male?</p>
<p>Is it relevent that they were assaulted by assailants who chose to use firearms, rather than knives.</p>
<p>If you want to stick your head in the sand, don’t read the articles.</p>
<p>Well, I am quite astounded that someone has cut through the mental fog that immobilizes we earth-bound mortals. Someone has actually associated the deaths in the Jordan and Cosby families to a college fraternity party!!! I’m embarrased to say that I didn’t recognize the apparently clear connection between these events, separated by so many years, miles and reason. By the way, what was that connection again?</p>
<p>" None of the news articles I read about the incident felt it was necessary to mention that it was a minority frat- I wonder why those here do. "</p>
<p>I would imagine its cause folks here in the parent forum are parents. So our mental checklist when we hear an article involves several factors indicating whether or not our OWN kids are at risk. “my kid belongs to a frat, but not at a directional state U” might be one thought. “my kid belongs to a frat, but its not a mainly minority one, ergo the presence of a violence at this frat is not indicative of a threat to my kid” Now that last conclusion may be incorrect (the driver of the violence may be something OTHER than violence within the minority community, and more the kind of thing that could happen at any frat) but its not obviously irrelevant.</p>
<p>It would seem slightly less important to a news organization whose audience is not dominated by nervous parents. </p>
<p>After reading about events in Egypt, my wife and I checked the distance from Yeruham, Israel, to the Eqyptian border (about 30 miles, BTW). I doubt terribly many other people did.</p>
<p>To me it is really relevant that this wasn’t the official frat house for that frat. It was a house where some of the members of the frat lived. I think that makes it more dangerous.</p>
<p>My fratty husband’s reaction on first hearing a hint of the story (college age kids, fraternity type house) was, “Oh, geez, sounds like a couple of guys got kicked out of a party and came back.” And as more news started coming through, it was sounding more and more like this is what happened. </p>
<p>The kind of thing that could happen at any frat.</p>
<p>This frat is a member of the National Pan Hellenic Council - why wouldn’t it be under the same rules as any other frat at YSU?</p>
<p>Wikipedia says:
“Omega Psi Phi (ΩΨΦ) is a fraternity and is the first African-American national fraternal organization to be founded at a historically black college. Omega Psi Phi was founded on November 17, 1911, at Howard University in Washington, D.C… The founders were three Howard University juniors, Edgar Amos Love, Oscar James Cooper and Frank Coleman, and their faculty adviser, Dr. Ernest Everett Just. Each of the founders graduated and went on to have distinguished careers in their chosen fields: Bishop Edgar Amos Love became Bishop of the United Methodist Church; Dr. Oscar James Cooper became a prominent physician, who practiced in Philadelphia for over 50 years; Professor Frank Coleman became the Chairman of the Department of Physics at Howard University for many years; and Dr. Ernest E. Just became a world-renowned biologist.”</p>
<p>As often occurs, the link in the OP now has an updated version of the same newspaper’s story. The intial report had very few details. Some might want to reread the new version (see OP).</p>
<p>Some of the new details include: the person shot was top-shelf and trying to separate the two groups when he was killed. It’s a university-sanctioned fraternity but the house isn’t fraternity-owned. The off-campus house is next to another frat with Greek letters and the neighbors report NO PROBLEMS from the frat house parties there; a quiet neighborhood.</p>
<p>It’s relevant to me that the deceased was a young black man about to graduate from college and a member of an NPHC fraternity because we lose so many young black men to gun violence, and this is a reminder that even the most successful among them get caught up in the epidemic.</p>
<p>It would be an equal tragedy for the family no matter which young person was killed. But the implications for the larger society may differ depending on the circumstances.</p>
<p>I go to this college and this happened a few blocks away from campus. Supposedly, this started over a girl and the people that got kicked out came back with guns and started shooting. Well, that’s what the local news said.</p>
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<p>One reason that it may be relevant to note that this is an NPHC (historically African-American) fraternity is that while historically-white fraternities are for the most part undergraduate-focused social groups, NPHC organizations are lifelong civic organizations and may tend to attract non-students and non-college-aged individuals to events as well as college students.</p>
<p>I admit I have mixed feelings on the subject & wouldn’t know how to write the article myself.
Just speaking of whether or not to mention the race of the people involved- & I agree that a disproportionate number of young AA men are killed by violence, what’s worse is that we are not surprised & outraged as much as we should be & even worse is that some young AA men, don’t expect anything else.</p>
<p>However- I would like people reading the story to think about why that is, about what we can do to change it, & not simply sigh & assume that this is just part of " modern life".</p>
<p>Guns are not glamorous.</p>
<p>Gadad, in the main you’re correct how NPHC greeks differ from other national Greeks. Let me point out however, the as regards college, NPHC are little different from most Greeks in that their events are like most other college fraternity/sorority events. On the other hand, non-members attend events sponsored by the older, i.e. alumni generation. Que Psi Phi, A Phi A, and Delta etc. are very different in this way. The alumni structure is quite intricate and quite active, particularly among the sororities. Many alumni tend to be active participants at civic and social events for years.</p>
<p>"Well, I am quite astounded that someone has cut through the mental fog that immobilizes we earth-bound mortals. Someone has actually associated the deaths in the Jordan and Cosby families to a college fraternity party!!! I’m embarrased to say that I didn’t recognize the apparently clear connection between these events, separated by so many years, miles and reason. By the way, what was that connection again? " – Lake Washington</p>
<p>“It’s relevant to me that the deceased was a young black man about to graduate from college and a member of an NPHC fraternity because we lose so many young black men to gun violence, and this is a reminder that even the most successful among them get caught up in the epidemic.” --Hanna</p>
<p>LakeW: Read Hanna’s post very slowly, maybe you will get it.</p>
<p>Why did some journalists decide to include in their reports that the victims of this gun violence are African-American?</p>
<p>Maybe because there were 40,939 African American men killed with guns between 1979 and 2007.</p>
<p>Maybe because from 1979 and 2007 murders with guns dropped 54% for whites, but increased 61% for African-Americans.</p>
<p>Or perhaps it is because the journalists are aware that a African-American man is five times more likely to be murdered with a gun that a white man and twice as likely than an Hispanic.</p>
<p>There is an epidemic of violence that is ravaging African-American men in America and some journalists think it is relevent to report it.</p>
<p>Similar events have happened at or near schools around the US–Pitt, Seton Hall, Uconn</p>
<p>[One</a> arrested, one hunted over Seton Hall party shootings which left student dead, four hurt](<a href=“http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/09/27/2010-09-27_one_arrest_one_quizzed_over_seton_hall_party_shootings_which_left_one_student_de.html]One”>http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/09/27/2010-09-27_one_arrest_one_quizzed_over_seton_hall_party_shootings_which_left_one_student_de.html)</p>
<p>[John</a> W. Lomax III, Hakim Muhammad & Jamal Todd Arrested in the Stabbing Death of UCONN Football Player Jasper Howard | Scared Monkeys](<a href=“http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/10/27/john-w-lomax-iii-hakim-muhammad-jamal-todd-arrested-in-the-stabbing-death-of-uconn-football-player-jasper-howard/]John”>http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/10/27/john-w-lomax-iii-hakim-muhammad-jamal-todd-arrested-in-the-stabbing-death-of-uconn-football-player-jasper-howard/)</p>
<p>[Duquesne</a> University Shootings - Photos - WTAE Pittsburgh](<a href=“http://www.wtae.com/slideshow/news/9869883/detail.html]Duquesne”>Pittsburgh PA News, Weather and Sports - WTAE-TV Pittsburgh Action News 4)</p>
<p>@Barrons-your post from Scared Monkeys is down right scary. But hey, free speech must cover all speech, however inane and misguided.</p>
<p>As to the other posters I must say I learned a bit. My initial reaction to sunnyflorida’s post is that she/he was throwing the minority status in as a strawman–for the reasons I stated in a previous post. However, if, as subsequent posters have pointed out, she/he threw it in to lament the disproportionate violence perpertrated against American males I admit I misread your post. Care to clarify?</p>
<p>I know the fraternity in question quite well. I agree that it’s a shame when a young man (of any ethnicity) loses his life in what we, as parents, hope will be a safe nuturing environment of a college.</p>
<p>If you’re black or hispanic, your odds of killing someone or ending up in jail are higher than if you’re white. Statistical fact.</p>
<p>I am Black and my odds of killing someone or ending up in jail are zero.</p>
<p>LOL! And the point goes to Yenmor.</p>
<p>Got to give that one to Yenmore.</p>