<p>Manfred....</p>
<p>Yale's other grad programs such as that in biology, medicine and poli sci are also on par with Harvard. Penn's law school is ranked about 5th, and JHU SAIS is one of the best in the field.....</p>
<p>your perception of so called "respectable grad school" seems to be very narrow, or just focusing on the rough, thin popular perception, not the real quality.</p>
<p>jags, </p>
<p>well, Chicago is ranked 27th and JHU 28th...</p>
<p>I don't know about you but I definitely wouldn't say that Chicago falls behind Cornell...which is 15th.....</p>
<p>Oh the RP. I'm not touching that with a ten-foot-pole, other than to say that, like any other ranking, it has some serious flaws. But to address your point, the RP does not contain data about specific school v. school battles. A ranking of one school above another is not conclusive proof that the higher school wins the majority of cross-admits from the lower one.</p>
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I see (congrats btw) - but this almost helps my initial claim rather than hurts it. by just looking at TJ, you are effectively saying that the non-HYP Ivies at a minimum "holds its own" vs. Duke - even though the Nova area is squarely in Duke's territory.
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<p>Ah do declare suh, Northern Virginia is most definitely NOT Southern. :p</p>
<p>hopkins - Don't forget Penn med, which can make a serious claim at being one of the top five med schools in the country.</p>
<p>i know jhu has an exellent IR program with multi-satellite locations including DC, but you will be hard pressed to compare that wif Harvard's Kennedy school.... u simply cannot.... and you know painfully well that jhu graduate engineering progarms are not even good as college park progarms.</p>
<p>So... only recognizable quality in jhu is its medical school in canton (ackkkk)</p>
<p>banana...</p>
<p>yeah, Penn med, as long as I know, is behind only that of Harvard and JHU...</p>
<p>I agree with you Hopkins. There is no difference whatsoever between #7 and #17. Those who attempt to differentiate at that level will invariably resort to exaggeration and unfounded speculation.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, there are thousands of students each year who pick schools because they are convinced that their year's USNWR #8 is better than its #9 or that #11 is better than #14. Even more regrettable is that many of the more experienced and knowledgeable posters on this forum feed that insecurity rather than abate it.</p>
<p>RP is nonsensical.</p>
<p>Manfredman: I take it by grad programs you mean professional schools?</p>
<p>my definition of graduate programs is all encompassing -it not only includes PHD programs but also professional gradute school (law, medicine, business)</p>
<p>as with Kennedy vs SAIS, that's a matter of range of studies that are offered at each school, not necessarily "quality" that you mention. SAIS is a school for international politics, not politics overall. </p>
<p>Also, considering that JHU's grad school is very small at mere 1600 students, you should look into their individual quality, not quantity.</p>
<p>of course RP doesn't indicate 1 school vs. another one. Nor does it mean that 1 school is better than another. It DOES however give you an idea of which schools are more desirable than others.</p>
<p>The facts are some schools are more desirable then others. RP does give you a general sense of which schools are most desirable.</p>
<p>JHU's engineering program, although admittedly mediocre, is still ranked in US News in range with Princeton,(11th) and is somewhat better than Columbia. Peer assessment score is 4.0 for JHU engineering, so why don't you take that into consideration as well as its very small size? Maybe in impact and fame, it is less strong than that of college park which is about 3-4 times bigger. But in terms of quality that you are trying to measure, I don't think it lags.</p>
<p>Hopkins, wasn't this exercise (ranking graduate programs) done? </p>
<p>All this does is rank universities according to the number of top 5, 10 and 20 graduate departments (according to the USNWR and, if not availlable, NRC) they have.</p>
<p>sometimes, sheer size does matter when it comes to research... how can professor can get grants with one graduate student working for him? you need a team of core research groups, multi-displinary group, which inevitably requires a good many capable gradute students.</p>
<p>Alexandre...</p>
<p>that's the thing with these rankings.....hahaha</p>
<p>you decide not to care about them, but when you see someone discussing it, you somehow feel compelled to be involved.....that's sad.</p>
<p>Manfredman.....</p>
<p>yes but how much? so college park's engineering program should dwarf Princeton's right?</p>
<p>NRC and Gourmet contradict one another. Columbia and Michigan, in particular, seem to get a big boost in USNews over the research council surveys.</p>
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The facts are some schools are more desirable then others. RP does give you a general sense of which schools are most desirable.
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<p>Two things:</p>
<p>1) Notre Dame at 13. Nuff said.</p>
<p>2) RP doesn't take into account which schools a student doesn't apply to at all, which is a huge part of their true preference.</p>
<p>I personally put more stock into the actual stats of the students the schools end up with, seeing as attracting top students one way or another is ultimately what these schools are after.</p>
<p>for graduate engineering progarms, of course cp is way better than Princeton.
no doubt about it</p>
<p>manfred;</p>
<p>in aeronautics and such? yes.</p>
<p>in other fields? doubtful.</p>