<p>Because the difference between #18 and a three-way-tie at 15 on a US News ranking is just staggering.</p>
<p>yeah yeah......ok 15 and 18 is indeed a HUGE DIFFERENCE right?</p>
<p>anyway do you go to CP? Where do you guys all go to school?</p>
<p>"Two things:</p>
<p>1) Notre Dame at 13. Nuff said.</p>
<p>2) RP doesn't take into account which schools a student doesn't apply to at all, which is a huge part of their true preference.</p>
<p>I personally put more stock into the actual stats of the students the schools end up with, seeing as attracting top students one way or another is ultimately what these schools are after."</p>
<p>Wonderful..... :)</p>
<h1>15(cp) and # 30(duke) is not?</h1>
<p>we were not talking about Duke. </p>
<p>rankings aside, are you a CP student manfred? we might have hailed from very same high school you know...hahahah.....</p>
<p>nope im from OC so-cal, used to live in columbia md, though</p>
<p>oh i was taking to that small banana guy from duke</p>
<p>Small banana guy never said anything about Duke engineering.</p>
<p>Wow, alot of you guys just say things but never back them up with facts.</p>
<p>"Based on acceptance rates, Duke continues to fall behind a few choice schools in terms of selectivity. Against five of those schools in particular, Duke faces substantial recruiting obstacles. According to matriculation data, Duke is successful in wooing to campus only about 15 percent of those admitted students who are also accepted to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, or Stanford. Against the next group--Brown, Columbia, Dartmouth, and Penn--Duke does better, enrolling about 50 percent. In recruiting battles against the third five--Georgetown, Chicago, Washington University, Northwestern, and Cornell--Duke is successful about 80 percent of the time."</p>
<p>There we go. Porsche, danvielvjosh, look. It says right there. Notice the story is about Duke lagging behind Harvard, Princeton, Yale, and Stanford - BECAUSE ITS ALREADY TIED WITH COLUMBIA DARTMOUTH AND BROWN.</p>
<p>It should be common knowledge that Duke's yield is a bit lower because it cross-admits many students with HYPSM, whereas Columbia and Dartmouth and Brown do not. Also, Duke doesn't fill that much of its student body Early Decision.</p>
<p>In fact, I posted a TON of facts - SAT scores, national merit scholars, grad placement etc. But you all refuse to change your views AT ALL. Why? I just don't understand.</p>
<p>So here's a review:
-Duke has higher average SAT scores than Brown, Columbia, Penn and by alot Cornell
- Duke feeds more students into elite professional schools than Brown, Columbia, Penn, Dartmouth, and again Cornell by alot. Note that the top professional schools are mostly in the Northeast. Looks like Duke beats them and they have the homecourt advantage (though Duke wins only by a little bit).
- Duke has more national merit scholars - take that for what its worth.
- In US News, which is a compilation of data, Duke is 3 points higher than Columbia and Dartmouth, 1 point below Penn, 2 points below Stanford.
- Duke's peer assesment is higher than Brown or Dartmouth, tied with Penn, a little below Columbia - however, if you tell me peer assesment has nothing to do with graduate strengh you've got to be joking. Brown and Dartmouth are awesome and definetely as good as Duke and Columbia for undergrad. The PA score is meaningless if you ask me. </p>
<p>Someone mentioned that Duke doesn't get like recruited as much as Northeastern lower Ivies. I bet this is bull. I'd like porsche or anyone to give me one statistic that verifies this. Duke's student body is as strong (even slightly stronger) than Columbia, Penn, Dartmouth, and Brown - what kind of moron company wouldn't recruit at it? I mean, give me some numbers. I've given you all a TON, that all back up what I say, and no one has provided ANY data at all to counter what I have said. </p>
<p>Putting Duke with UVA and Mich for undergrad is embarassing for anyone who cares about undergrad strength...but I'll let that rest here (go to collegeboard.com and look at SAT scores, or the WSJ feeder rankings to see placement)</p>
<p>PS Hopkins, the reason I get worked about this, is that posters like Porsche basically lie and make stuff up while pretending to actually know what they are talking about - this makes college decisions murky for neutral observers. Its up to posters to use FACTS and real DATA (like me!) to make these people either see facts.</p>
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<p>What? Where are you getting that?</p>
<p>thethoughtprocess....</p>
<p>i just noticed that you are continuosly enthusiastic about Duke....are you a student there? just curious.</p>
<p>Bananainpyjamas, I dunno, I just assumed from the data that is why. </p>
<p>Hopkins, negative, but I started coming back to this site after the lacrosse Case when it started taking flak (best friend/cousin goes to Duke, I'm sure most Duke CC'ers might know who he is, he was on CC a lot last year)</p>
<p>Edit - btw, I'm not at all impartial, I obviously favor Duke in any discussion - it just seems in most of them facts seem to back me up usually :) And i get upset when people pretend they are college experts and start defying reality with their claims (like Porsche and some other posters in particular)</p>
<p>are you at JHU?</p>
<p>ah...this may sound a very nubie question, but what does CC stand for?</p>
<p>College Confidential. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>people around me use CC for "community college".....you know...</p>
<p>The site on which you are posting.....</p>
<p>CC'ers - people who are on college confidential, usually enjoy wasting time while doing work, like certain colleges, almost always biased, etc. etc.</p>
<p>oh......hahahah....</p>
<p>thethoughtprocess:</p>
<p>I don't know why I got mentioned in that. I've been backing Duke in this thread aside from the post where I said it's strange to put it a notch above Stanford.</p>
<p>thoughprocess....</p>
<p>"are you at JHU"? </p>
<p>were you asking me? i am about to leave for JHU in 2 days.........</p>