<p>Has anyone heard (including rumors...) what Princeton's yield from their accepted student pool is looking like this year? Somehow I doubt that this information is out there (unfortunately), but we are closing in on the deadline. Any ideas?</p>
<p>hmm i’m curious too! anyone know their predicted yield?</p>
<p>I have this sinking feeling that Princeton’s yield wont hold up as well this year…at least when it comes to Ivy cross admits (especially with Harvard and Yale, and non-Ivies Stanford, and MIT).</p>
<p>Re: BizzyJudy </p>
<p>Are you saying that you are predicting a lower than average yield for Princeton?</p>
<p>I know Stanford had a problem last year because they underestimated their yield, so they had overcrowding in dorms 
I don’t really want that to happen at Princeton
But maybe Princeton’s great financial aid will attract more people? I have a friend who got 20k from Princeton and nothing from Harvard…</p>
<p>Oh well we’ll wait and see :D</p>
<p>hmm i hope the yield is low! then yayy for waitlists!</p>
<p>iDebate:</p>
<p>I believe that Princeton will have a strong yield, regardless. However, I do believe that they will have a yield less than their usual average. Maybe I could be wrong and the people I have been coming across may just be the exception. But Princeton is a great school, don’t get me wrong!</p>
<p>Has anyone tried calling?</p>
<p>about the yield? no i didn’t… i figure i’ll wait.</p>
<p>yeah, understood. i am reluctant to do anything that could bother the admissions office at this point…</p>
<p>why do you care so much??</p>
<p>… because we’re waitlisted.</p>
<p>and iDebate, exactly my thoughts.
ugh I hate waiting… I want princeton soooo badly :(</p>
<p>Basketballbabe…I’m crossing my fingers for you!</p>
<p>My own assessment is as follows. I’ll bet that the yield is about the same as last year, approximately 60%. Princeton accepted a slightly higher percentage of its applicants this year and a greater total number overall. It had the largest number of applicants in its history, but it is also in the process of gradually increasing the size of each incoming class and, without early admission, it is competing more directly with its peers for applicants. </p>
<p>When Princeton and Harvard dropped their early admission programs, the lower yield was expected. With peer schools maintaining their early programs those schools would stand to gain either by locking in their early pool at 100% matriculation (as in the case of early decision) or having nearly the same effect with early action through the identification of those who have made a particular school their first choice and then accepting them at a much higher rate. </p>
<p>Without the yield-boosting effects of these early programs, both Princeton and Harvard anticipated lower yields and got them last year. Princetons dropped about 9 percentage points last year while Harvards dropped about 4 percentage points. Harvard had earlier stated that it expected a 6 to 7% point drop in yield but that was before the announcement of a very large increase in financial aid that improved yield significantly.</p>
<p>My bet is that both schools were happy with those results. Though Princetons yield dropped, it got a better class in the way it had hoped. The male to female ratio was a perfect 50%, the percentages of minority students and international students increased, there was a noticeable jump in the percentage of low income students matriculating and SAT averages increased slightly. Overall, the class is more diverse both ethnically and economically, better balanced by gender and smarternot a bad outcome.</p>
<p>Another significant change was that, without early programs, more of Princetons applicants also applied to Harvard (and more of Harvards to Princeton) and there was a huge jump in the overlap between the two schools. Since both schools had previously had early programs, their successful early applicants were unlikely to apply to the other school (in the case of Harvard) and were not able to do so (in the case of Princeton). While the exact numbers havent been released for this overlap between Harvard and Princeton, some reflection of what happened can be seen in the numbers reported by Stanford. </p>
<p>Stanford (like Yale) kept its early program and actually increased its matriculation rate last year. The interesting change, however, occurred in the overlap pools. Princetons overlap with Stanford increased dramatically and Princeton was second only to Harvard in the choice of Stanford admits who decided to go elsewhere. At the same time, Stanfords overlap with Yale and MIT decreased and Stanford did better against them in the battle for common admits, actually splitting evenly with Yale among those cross-admits. </p>
<p>While Stanfords yield increased last year, Yales (like Harvards and Princetons) dropped. Yales drop was about 1.5% so there wasnt a large change. On the other hand, Yale greatly increased both its early admission offers (by about 25% last year) and its financial aid (by about 50%). Both of these typically help increase matriculation rates. </p>
<p>Im betting that the profiles of their new classes were pleasing enough that both Princeton and Harvard will stay with their current systems for now. I wouldnt be confident in predicting what Stanford and Yale will do though I think there is a chance that Yale will eventually follow Princeton and Harvard and drop its early program. Yales President Levin was at one time openly opposed to early programs and spoke about it nationally but the school is now using its own even more heavily. One of the downsides of the early programs is that they tend to have fewer low income students and a lower percentage of minority students. The class of 2012 at Yale dropped about 2% in minority representation. It did see an increase in the number of low income students but Yale had to move aggressively in the regular admissions process to achieve this. A large number of offers to students in the QuestBridge program during spring admissions helped. If they can continue to do this, the increasing reliance on their early admission program may work out fine.</p>
<p>As for Princeton’s yield this year, as I say, I’ll bet it’s about the same as last year. Much more is now known about the effects of the elimination of the early programs at Princeton and Harvard and there have been no changes in financial aid at any of these institutions that would muddy the picture. There will certainly be some students taken off the wait list at Princeton this year but it may not be as many as last year’s 148. My bet would be that it will be closer to 50 or 60. At this point it’s still anyone’s guess and I’ll hope that those of you who have chosen to remain on Princeton’s waitlist will get great news sometime in May or June!</p>
<p>The yield might be lower this year compared with last year due to the higher admission rate, if this is the only significant change that is going to affect the yield. The evidence so far is that Stanford is predicting 73% yield upon yesterday.</p>
<p>Wow PtonGrade. That was pretty insightful. Thanks.</p>