<p>Why tell me? Was there something new that might have given the PA any relevance or integrity? </p>
<p>Is it not pathetic to only have THAT metric to hang your hat on? As we say in Texas, bless your heart.</p>
<p>“Is it not pathetic to only have THAT metric to hang your hat on?”</p>
<p>That and a good football team.</p>
<p>Xiggi, exactly my sentiments.</p>
<p>can anyone post the selectivity data/rank for top 10 schools? I am interested as I have a family member applying this year but would not like to pay 29 bucks for it thanks.</p>
<p>hi beyphy, could you post the selectivity data/rank for top 10 schools? thanks</p>
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<p>Of course, rjk! And that gives me a sense of encouragement to think that tOSU could certainly be moving up the ranking in a similar fashion in the near future as it is also a large research public school. :)</p>
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<p>tbf: we should add CMC and its (football?) competitor, Smith.</p>
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<p>yes, I have been known to be pathetic. :)</p>
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<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>Woooooooo… UCLA didn’t get the shaft. Poor Carnegie Mellon.</p>
<p>Also makes my blood boil that they put Columbia #4 but whatever…</p>
<p>Actually, after a quick review of the releases, the new rankings appear quite reasonable … safe and except for the above named Columbia. One can safely assume Morse and his improving goons are still accepting the data from NYC at face value. </p>
<p>The LAC rankings are also taking a more orderly shape, albeit HMC is still poorly evaluated. But that is what happens to the MIT and Caltech type of schools.</p>
<p>PS Thanks BB for reminding of our football rivalry with Smith. The Stags love playing against girls, and that is why the Sagehens are on the schedule. We tried to get the Golden Cubs to no avail.</p>
<p>It’s weird, though, all the crowding/ clustering of schools into ties, like passengers amassing in lines at the Southwest Airlines queue. Or livestock stampeding into the pens for the slaughter. </p>
<p>Pick your metaphor.</p>
<p>^ Let’s face it: the most accurate ranking would be just a few large ties, otherwise known as tiers. But given that those would virtually never change–at least from year to year–it wouldn’t be as much fun for us, or as profitable for US News. ;)</p>
<p>So instead, we play this annual game of musical chairs in which a change of a place or two (or three or four) is parsed by us as if it really means something (which it clearly doesn’t). :rolleyes:</p>
<p>But it is kind of a fun game (at least for some of us). :)</p>
<p>USNWR is prone to making simple mistakes. They got the OOS tuition of Berkeley wrong by over $10,000. The fact they make such mistakes puts their ranking integrity into question. I suspect that surprises such as the rise in PSU rankings could be due to a miscalculation.</p>
<p>[University</a> of California–Berkeley | Best College | US News](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/university-of-california-berkeley-1312]University”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/university-of-california-berkeley-1312)</p>
<p>On the USNWR website, the OOS tuition was declared to be $25,056 for Berkeley. As two Cal website show, total tuition costs for an OOS student are around $35,000 (tuition plus OOS supplement). </p>
<p>[url=<a href=“http://students.berkeley.edu/finaid/home/cost.htm]UC”>http://students.berkeley.edu/finaid/home/cost.htm]UC</a> Berkeley Financial Aid and Scholarships Office » Cost of Attendance<a href=“website%201”>/url</a>
[url=<a href=“http://registrar.berkeley.edu/Default.aspx?PageID=feesched.html#misc]Registration”>http://registrar.berkeley.edu/Default.aspx?PageID=feesched.html#misc]Registration</a> Fees - Office Of The Registrar<a href=“website%202”>/url</a></p>
<p>The mistake they made was adding the tuition/fees for one year<a href=“as%20determined%20by%20website%201”>/U</a> to the OOS supplement for one semester. They then added the student service fee and campus fee (as determined by website 2) </p>
<p>The total tuition costs from those mistaken calculations comes out to $25,055. </p>
<p>They did not include the other costs as determined on either website, such as the document management fee.</p>
<p>Anybody know what top chemical engineering undergraduate list looked like</p>
<p>IMO, Holy Cross at #25 in national liberal arts category is very underrated. HC is one of the few LAC’s that is still need-blind for admissions, has a tremendous alumni network(alumni giving rate of 52-56% each year), great pre-med program, and over 25 Division 1 sports programsfor a school of 2900 students. Davidson is a great LAC but at #9 seems right(IMO, Williams, Amherst, Wellesley are better). Also for an elite LAC, Davidson’s endowment is small compatred to Amherst, Williams and even Holy Cross. Hope Holy Cross and Davidson attract many more applicants this year-both great schools and both have top basketball traditions.</p>
<p>^ Never gets old, Par72.</p>
<p>Davidson is a very very small school. Its lovely. Excellent school. But its already unbelievably competitive to get in and this will only make it worse. Success has its costs. </p>
<p>USNWR rankings are for the most part an echo chamber…PA/GC ratings are based…you guessed it…on their perceptions from the previous USNWR rankings. </p>
<p>There are excellent schools all over the country, all shapes and sizes. Whether you go to gargantuan PSU/UMinnesota/UCLA or small schools like Davidson, third tier Bridgewater College, or elite Colby or Williams College, you should take pride in where you attend, make the most of your four years, and then GIVE BACK TO THE SCHOOL THAT ACCEPTED AND EDUCATED/TRAINED YOU.</p>
<p>There is nothing WORSE than a pinhead who is elitist coming in, is unsociable when attending, only interested in grades and rankings, only interested in prestige,and then DOESNT GIVE BACK TO THE SCHOOL or community. A selfish rat…</p>
<p>and I wont say who I have in mind when making this rant either. But yes, there is a group who do this de riguer and admissions officers know it. They are trapped because they want the students money and the students stats for rankings, but privately they say (and have told me to my face) they wish they werent even on their campuses.</p>
<p>In my opinion, all 28 Jesuit Colleges are stellar. All of them. And nearly all of them are well ranked in their categories. So three cheers for the Jesuit schools! </p>
<p>In general the Catholic colleges do very well. Bravo!</p>
<p>Holy Cross at 25 in the LAC category, ND at 18 and Georgetown at 20 in university category have been the flagships of Catholic higher education for decades. ND and Holy Cross have 2 of the best alumni networks in the country while Georgetown’s alumni giving rate is not nearly as high.</p>
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<p>Davidson’s endowment per student (EPS) is about 35% larger than HC’s.
In fact, HC’s EPS is small even compared to several colleges ranked a little lower than it is this year.</p>
<p>school … endowment … students … eps
Bryn Mawr … $645400000 … 1771 … $364,426.88
(Davidson …$537000000 … 1739 … $308,798.16)
Colorado C. … $533200000 … 2011 … $265,141.72
Whitman … $401000000 …1539 … $260,558.80
Mt. Holyoke …$582600000 …2300 … $253,304.35
Holy Cross …$655000000 …2872 … $228,064.07</p>
<p>Most of the qualities par72 mentions in HC’s favor simply are not factors in the USNWR ranking. To its credit, HC is one of the country’s least selective need-blind full-need colleges. This, in my opinion, is one of its most important distinguishing features. However, it does not score any points with US News. Nor does the number of D1 sports teams it fields. Nor does having a “great pre-med program” (whatever that means). Of all the factors par72 mentions, the only one that scores points in the ranking is alumni giving. </p>
<p>Another factor in which HC excels is graduation rate performance. HC’s 90% 4-year graduation rate is quite high compared to the rates of some closely ranked schools. Its entering student HS class rank is a bit low compared to some of the same schools (60% in HS top 10%, compared to Barnard’s 79%). This year, US News shifted weight away from class standing and toward graduation rate performance, which apparently helped Holy Cross.</p>
<p>Per the HC website for this year’s entering freshmen(class of 2017), 87% were in the top 20% of their respective class. Big difference between, Holy Cross vs Barnard, Wellesley, Smith etc is the number of varsity athletes HC admits each year for its 25-26 Division 1 sports vs LAC’s with few sports at the DIV1 OR 1AA(FOOTBALL) level. Agree that Holy Cross is unique in offering need-blind admissions when higher ranked LAC’s like Wesleyan have walked away from that policy. Holy Cross and Colgate are perhaps the only 2 top 25 LAC’s that offer Division 1 sports in football, hockey, basketball etc that compete against much wealthier Ivies on any given weekend. As noted Davidson does have good basketball but most of its other sports are lower profile than those of HC and Colgate.</p>