26e's deferral reversal thread

<p>Well, you had to know it was coming. I’m going to get in, dammit. I don’t really mind, i just HATE having to wait until April.</p>

<p>So, two things to cover.</p>

<p>1) What can YOU do?
2) What can ANYONE do?</p>

<p>i’m calling in the big guns. any penn student who got in after being deferred i beg you to contribute your story.
fellow deferees, wonderful acceptees, unlucky deny-ees, any ideas=:D</p>

<p>So, what do i have?</p>

<p>-Couldn’t take Oct (?) ACT, cuz hurricane Wilma cancelled it, and then it was rescheduled when i was in TN for a MUN trip
-Couldn’t take Dec ACT - soccer tournament (it was at home, which makes it slightly less severe, but i’ll leave that detail out ;))
-Started a new club (haven’t actually done that yet, but…)
-Supplemental Recs: idk…My editor at the newspaper…that’s about all i have right now :frowning:
-Oh! couldn’t take Dec SAT. got sick.
-btw. MY LIFE SUCKS (seriously, folks. i get on, tho)</p>

<p>that’s all i have right now…</p>

<p>tack on :)</p>

<p>copied this....</p>

<p><a href="http://www.collegeconfidential.com/college_admissions/deferral.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.collegeconfidential.com/college_admissions/deferral.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Now, to the issue at hand: What should you do if you end up deferred or waitlisted? The approach is essentially the same for both. You must undertake a carefully deployed program of self-marketing to further enhance your "almost good enough" application. After all, if the colleges deferring or waitlisting you weren't interested in you, they would have rejected you, right? Let's take a look at what you can do to improve your chances of getting in.</p>

<p>Your job is twofold. First, you need to establish a distinguishable presence with the admissions office without becoming a pest. Second, you need to reveal more of yourself and your sincere passion to attend your target college. How do you do this? Well, you should start to execute this plan the moment you find out that you have been deferred or waitlisted. Don't sit around and mope. Take action immediately. If you don't, who will? To borrow a phrase from Paul Simon, then, here's the plan, Stan:</p>

<p>First, you need to find a human being in the admissions office who is willing to communicate with you by e-mail or phone. This may well be the regional rep for your area of the country. Your job is to find out who this person is. Call admissions and ask for that person's name and e-mail address. If they won't reveal the e-mail address, ask to be connected to that person by phone. If they won't do that, get the person's name (they should be willing to give that out) and write him/her a letter requesting an avenue of contact (again, e-mail is preferable).</p>

<p>Once you have established contact with the admissions rep, then you must keep that person informed on a regular basis about your recent accomplishments (academic, EC, personal life) and deepening passion for that college. Over the course of your marketing campaign, you should make four-to-five contacts with this person. In addition to your e-mails, you can snail-mail any cool things that involve you from the school newspaper, local newspaper, or anything else where your name appears in print. This is part of marketing your ongoing progress as an outstanding student, athlete, theater arts person, or whatever.</p>

<p>Try to get one more significant recommendation from someone who really knows you well and who may have a unique angle on your intangible qualities (personal integrity, creativity, etc.). That might be a friend, parent, relative, pastor, or supervisor. The important condition is that this person must be able to write extremely convincingly and with great focus on who you are as a person. They should use anecdotes to illustrate your uniqueness and how you are perfectly suited to that college. If this person knows something about the particular college in question, that's even better.</p>

<p>A real clincher would be if you could win some kind of major honor or award, such as a state- or national-level title or something. This might not be possible, but if you're a high performer, one never knows.</p>

<p>Deferrals & Waitlists Summary: Find the key person in admissions, establish contact, and keep in touch regularly with meaningful communications. Granted, this takes a lot of careful and diligent effort. However, when that deferral or waitlist letter arrives, you have to ask yourself one critical question: "How badly do I really want to attend this college?" Your answer to that question should determine your course of action. If you decide to go for it, use this plan. It should give you your very best shot. Best wishes on your college admissions quest!</p>

<p>Sorry to hear you were deferred by your first-choice college. That’s the bad news. The good news, of course, is that you’re still in the running. Some applicants are put out of their misery with denial letters—not deferrals—at Early Decision time.</p>

<p>You are wise to be asking what to do next. The most successful deferred candidates are indeed those who don’t simply sit back and wait for a thicker letter in April. For starters, think about your guidance counselor. Is he (or she) someone who might be a strong and articulate advocate for you? If so, ask your counselor to call (or even e-mail) this Ivy League college and try to find out if there’s anything you can do to improve your chances in the spring. What he will be really asking, of course, is “Why didn’t this great kid get in?” While it’s not likely admission officials will give a specific answer, it’s possible. If, for instance, your counselor learns that the college had concerns about your writing, you could then submit an unsolicited essay or other additional writing samples. (Have someone else check them out first.) If your counselor is told that your extracurricular activities looked mundane, this could give him a chance to speak up in your favor. (“The chess club Alfred founded has become the hottest group in the school, and he’s now started a club for disadvantaged elementary students.”) In other words, urge your counselor to go to bat for you—and not just now, immediately following the deferral. Remind him to stay in touch with admission officials periodically until final decisions are made in March.</p>

<p>If you know your test scores were low by your target college’s standards, consider whether one more crack at them might mean improvement. Are there SAT II tests you could take successfully that you haven’t? Were your junior grades less strong than past performance? Make sure your senior record is first-rate, or you won’t stand a chance of admission.</p>

<p>The vast majority of Ivy League candidates, however, are admissible applicants who have done nothing “wrong.” They simply do not stand out in a crowd of hyperachieving competitors. So you must be an advocate for yourself as well. Make a contact in the admission office (typically, it’s the representative who covers your geographic area or high school, though you could also get in touch with the official who interviewed you, if applicable, or the counselor in charge of minority applicants, legacy applicants, athletes, etc., if any of these special circumstances apply to you). Let him or her know how much you want to attend, and repeat your contact regularly. If you garner any truly outstanding honors during this waiting period or add special achievements to your resume, then this is the time to tell your admission office “friend” and to also notify the office in writing. (Don’t bother submitting updates about run-of-the-mill endeavors or awards. Shoot for the biggies only.)</p>

<p>Finally, if you can come up with an appropriate “gimmick” to get yourself noticed, don’t be shy. For instance, if your application touts your talents as a musician, this might be the time to compose a new piece in honor of your target school. If you’re a painter, a picture of the campus (with yourself in the middle of it), might be an amusing and memorable offering.</p>

<p>Yep... I'm gunna do it all. Things I'm considering: win a major business award for FBLA, start my own company, hum.. just have amazing grades... that's right.. there will be no more partying. No more wasted hours... It's study through April... or.. do we need to last that long? Can't we just stick with it till our grades come out?</p>

<p>well, my grades come out on tuesday, so i'll recover some time!
don't forget, win some scholarships</p>

<p><a href="http://www.collegeconfidential.com/college_counseling/testimonials.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.collegeconfidential.com/college_counseling/testimonials.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>from kam</p>

<p>My interviewer told me that if I were defered then I should go down to the admissions office that weekend and ask them straight out, "What do I have to do to get into this school?" I'm not compeltely sure whether he was serious or not, since I don't actually know him. But if you live close enough, you could always try it. I'm sure it wouldn't hurt your chances. They might tell you what they'd like to see which would be great. Or maybe they'd just love the fact that you went there and asked. Either way, I don't think it'd hurt. And for everyone who doesn't live close enough to get to the campus, you could always try calling admissions and getting in contact with your regional officer and asking that way. </p>

<p>You might also want to try talking to your interviewer for tips. Anything and everything (I think) would help you get in during the RD. If you had great scores then they were probably just looking for something just a little different about you that'd bring diversity to the campus. If you write another essay, try focusing on something small but very meaningful that you might not have mentioned before. Try submitting a resume, if you didn't before. Get another recommendation from a different teacher or maybe someone professional who isn't your teacher and knows you outside of school. I'm sure all of thiose things would help a lot.</p>

<p>Good luck to everyone! And if, for some insane reason, things don't work out, I'm sure you'll find another great school. Admissions at the Ivies seem to be very randomly chosen this year and I know that in other years people denied from 3-4 Ivies have been accepted at others such as Harvard and Yale. And just because Penn didn't see the numerous reasons why you should have been offered admission the ED round doesn't mean other schools won't see it during the RD round.</p>

<p>26e, the tips are very interesting. I'm going to talk with my guidance counselor either tomorrow (technically today) after school or on friday. I was intrigued by the tip, "have your GC establish a connection with the regional director, etc." What does this mean exactly? How would I ask my GC to do this? What is she supposed to talk about?!</p>

<p>I'm hesitant about taking the SAT Is again, since it would be the 4th time taking it, and I'm not sure whether that would truly be worth it or not.</p>

<p>I also don't foresee any awards or honors in my near (4 month) future. Is this bad? My ECs are mostly school clubs with the exception of a varsity sport (tennis), and my awards aren't... strong.</p>

<p>Do you think the regional director would really reveal information about what it really takes for a deferred applicant to get in? Would they say it straight up or shrouded in a cloud of big and fancy words? I'm going to call the admissions office and hopefully talk with my regional director very soon, and I will ask him/her questions about deferrals in general and if I can, questions about my specific deferral. Would it be rude for me to ask these types of questions? What should I NOT say?</p>

<p>As a Pa resident, I'm under the impression that Penn only deferred me as a type of "formality" because I'm a Pa applicant and not because it really is feasible for me to get in (without winning a Nobel Peace Prize or curing cancer).</p>

<p>Do you have any estimates as to how many (fraction-wise) were deferred/rejected/accepted? I have a feeling that acceptance may have gone down (numbers-wise, not percentage) compared to last year. A current Penn student with whom I am friends, told me unofficially that the admissions board didn't know what to do so the number of deferrals shot up. I can't verify this (and no one really can right now), but what are your thoughts about it? It seems kind of logical to me. What % of CAS deferred applicants do you suspect get accepted in the RD round? The overall acceptance % is about 15%, but I don't know whether CAS would be much higher than Wharton (which would probably off-set the numbers).</p>

<p>ANYWAY! Michael, we will both get accepted in April and we will be dorm buddies at Penn. (Pray with me) :)</p>

<p>krabs, i just don't know. i would take the SAT again, though. 4 times in 4 years is not too much. </p>

<p>numberS? no clue</p>

<p>from quake</p>

<p>jhum111...you might want to call your regional rep or send him/her an e-mail before the break just to ask if if they felt something was missing...because the deferral letter taht was posted on the forum says that they would like more information...ask what specifically they would like to know more about you...also send a short letter or note (paper, mailed in) saying that Penn is still your first choice (not necessarily right away, because you may want to include information about the goings on in your life later on in the semester). About talking to your rep...definitely call directly and ask to speak with him/her because it's more personal and shows that you're mature enough not to be completely intimidated and realize that they're just people...not that it will necessarily win you any points but it's less awkward and evasive...And pray really hard that it works, and work hard on your regular apps in case it doesn't...Really, though, best of luck to you.</p>

<p>
[quote]
And just because Penn didn't see the numerous reasons why you should have been offered admission the ED round doesn't mean other schools won't see it during the RD round.

[/quote]
</p>

<p>That is the take-home lesson here. Because at this level admissions is so much a crapshoot, it is all too possible for you to miss at one school and win at another. You can get rejected at Cornell and accepted at Harvard (extreme example, I know ;-)...no I don't hate Cornell...Cornell just sucks, that's all.</p>

<p>In the RD pool, you have a slight advantage over other RD candiates because Penn knows that you are VERY likely to matriculate if accepted, thus boosting their yield rate. But again, it's only slight.</p>

<p>Best of luck to everybody</p>

<p>I was deferred and it sucks, but at least there is hope. I actually just won an award at HMUN on Sunday so I will obviously send that and my grades second quarter are better than they were first quarter (I haven't caught senioritis yet). But for the additional essay that I have already begun to write when should I submit it? Thanks for any help anyone can offer in advance especially any current student who was deferred and then accepted to let me know there is hope. O, and also, is my legacy status worthless now?</p>

<p>::sigh::</p>

<p>I read what 26e posted...funny. Besides being a LEGACY, I can't improve on my SATs (1600). I can't improve my grades (4.00 unweighted). I have been in contact with my regional director of admissions since she started the job (she was new this year). I called her as soon as I got the info on her (August). I have emailed her several times. I walked her out to her car after she gave a presentation for my high school, talking about how much I want PENN. Awards? I've been ranked 1st chair percussion in ALL STATE band 3/4 yrs,1st chair in all county bands. I have been hired to play drums for bands, I teach music, I volunteer. Music has been a passion since 2nd grade, I have stayed true to this, and my rep knew this- EVEN her example of an ideal PENN applicant was someone who did everything with their respective instrument!</p>

<p>Yes, I applied to Wharton. It's is extremely selective, and I don't have business ECs. Sure they help... but they say you don't need them, and plenty of peopel get deferred/rejected even with their amazing business related ventures (i remember seeing a post here about a guy with a 2330 rejected with fundrasing that topped $20,000). But what you do need is a Passion. And I most certainly had one... and I made sure they knew this.</p>

<p>I'm just super bummed. I will definitely follow up on this.. call my reg. director of admissions and all. I just don't know what I can do to improve the things I have already done. I have done my best, my best since middle school when my obsession with PENN started. And I'm willing to except I just wasn't good enough, but happy with what I have done, knowing I have done my best. It's just a real bummer when your best isn't good enough for your dreams.</p>

<p>i'm gonna submit my mit essay to penn and vice versa</p>

<p>does anyone have Yhana C. Chavis'... email? or did you guys just call your regional reps...</p>

<p>How late can I send in some extra information? Does it have to be in by the regular decision deadline?</p>

<p>If someone could answer mattri22's question it would be really helpful. Thanks in advance.</p>

<p>For all of you that got deferred, I just wanted to say, I know how hard it must be to be in limbo like this. I think the hardest part is that you know where you haven't gotten in (yet), but you don't know where you have. I know that sounds ridiculously obvious. I suppose that in real life, disappointments are not always immediately combined with the alternatives!</p>

<pre><code> Anyway, what you guys were saying about getting the GC to talk to the regional rep is exactly what some of my private school friends say is happening this week in their schools. The GC can call and really get an idea of whether there is any real issue with your app, and what you can do to improve your chances. IF you are comfortable enough to actually pick up the phone yourself - I think that would really set you apart.

Michael(26e), your ideas for overturning a deferral are everything I thought I'd be doing this week and a great resource.

It was really rough this year at my school. Only 2 or 3(we haven't heard about one person because they wouldn't check online!) got in, as compared to 6 or 7 last year. Lots of kids with hooks didn't get in, including legacy. I also get the feeling that they deferred a lot more ppl this year.

Anyway, I am rooting for all of you, at Penn or wherever you end up going to school next year. Good luck!
</code></pre>

<p>tm - I don't know if this will make any sense or not, but here goes.</p>

<p>To me it sounds like you might be pursuing your regional director a little too aggressively. Pursuing them over the phone, via email, and in person several times might rub them the wrong way. </p>

<p>You also talk about your "obsession" with Penn, which I am sure your regional director clearly sensed - and this can also become misconstrued and perceived in a NEGATIVE way. Another thing is that they might also wonder if your interest is driven by you or by your family since you are a legacy.</p>

<p>My advice for you (since I don't think your problem was with your stats or ECs) would be to hold off on contacting her for awhile (seriously), and when you do you need to do it in an extremely gracious, thankful (yes, thankful), mature, and reflective manner - which is not what your regional director will expect. That might be more impressive than anything else. </p>

<p>The worse thing you can do (and what they are anticipating you to do) is be angry, bitter, and obsessive so be exactly opposite of that.</p>

<p>dont stalk people. never stalk people. and dont make getting into penn your most important extraciricullar activity. live well, be interesting, and keep them updated with your new accomplishments.</p>

<p>Thanks whartonalum for your advice, I definitely understand it, and I PMed you about it.</p>

<p>I thought one key thing to getting into PENN or any other top tier university was really convincing them you want go. In this age of supercompetition, I didn't think I could really hurt myself by doing what I did. I mean I don't feel I stalked her- i called her once, told her who I was. I made a few email exhanges to let her know I wouldn't be able to make a PENN info session- but that i wanted to talk to her one on one, that I would be willing to drive to the place an hour earlier to talk to her, etc. And in the end, she advised me to go up to PENN for an alumni interview (which I did) cuz she thought doing that really helps your chances. So I thought she was on my side...</p>

<p>So I understand you muskat, but making PENN a goal didn't take away from my schoolwork/ECs. But I definitely see, now looking at things from the other side of the decision, I could very well have hurt my chances. Man, though, it really sucks to think that my ambition hurt me, that flying up to PENN in the middle of my school semester because SHE told me too, that stressing to them PENN is for me, that my fault was wanting Penn too much.</p>

<p>I have a really big question!!! When we send in all these essays, extra recommendations, letters, etc etc do we have to get all these in before the regular decision deadline?</p>