<p>Duke's academics probably suffers (perhaps very unfairly) from the fame of its basketball program... it's almost like the impossibly gorgeous girl with incredible figure who is also smart enough to be valedictorian - people either overlook her intelligence or just assume that she's not bright (but, maybe-just-maybe, that person flaunts her sexuality a little too over the edge) - and let's face it, Duke does a very good job leveraging every single ounce of fame and $$$ from its basketball program - perhaps too good of a job in hindsight (i.e. when do you cross a point where a sports program starts to flex its muscles to the detriment of other considerations? perhaps Duke is at that point...)</p>
<p>the 3 "most prestigious schools in the world" will be the same as the 3 "most presitigous schools in the united states" - if everyone agrees that the 3 most prestigious schools in the US are more prestigious than any schools abroad. If prestige doesnt have any correlation to familiarity, as the_prestige says (and i agree with him), then it shouldn't matter where one is asking the question - as the quality of a school doesn't diminish the further away one gets from it.</p>
<p>Therefore, if the 3 most prestigious schools in the US are HYP, then they are the 3 most prestigious schools in the world.</p>
<p>jags, i think that on a truly "global" level, Oxford (and to a lesser extent Cambridge) can make a reasonable argument to be considered on a HYP level - certainly in Europe and in many parts of Asia (particularly in former British colonies such as Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia, India, etc).</p>
<p>thats why i said if you agree that the 3 most prestigious school in the US are the 3 most prestigious schools in the world. Also the question was US schools so i guess i should have made it more clear in my original post.</p>
<p>it's a poorly titled thread that's for sure, it makes one wonder, e.g.:</p>
<ul>
<li>the Top 3 AMERICAN schools which are perceived to be the best on a global level?</li>
<li>(which is different than a going ASSUMPTION that) the three best in the US are necessarily the best on a global level...</li>
</ul>
<p>at any rate... you get the picture...</p>
<p>Those people who do not think UC Berkeley is one of the most prestigious and most famous American university in the world must be either ignorant or uneducated. </p>
<p>I'm not a UC Berkeley student but I'm not stupid not to accept the fact that it is globally prestigious and famous school.</p>
<p>Posted by: Sakky</p>
<p>At every country I have been to (which is a lot), Berkeley has generally been seen as a place for people who, frankly, weren't good enough to get into Stanford. I wish it weren't so, but it is, sadly, so. </p>
<p>*Ha ha ha.... this is funny. Most intellectual elite in Asia/Australia will, so to speak -- "break arms" just to get into the grad school of UC Berkeley. I'm not sure if those same people have the same feeling and aspirations for Stanford and other less prestigious school. *</p>
<p>Posted by: the_prestige</p>
<p>I've spent a decent amount of time in Europe and in Asia. </p>
<p>From my experiences, there is no way that Cal is more highly regarded than Yale, Princeton, MIT and Stanford (in any combination of any of those schools nor individually).</p>
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<p>I doubt if Asian people would go to Princeton if they get into UC Berkeley. You probabaly asked the wrong guys.</p>
<p>Posted by: Sam Lee</p>
<p>Stanford's law and business schools are in a whole different league above Berkeley. These are programs that carry more name recognition in the (business) world than something like chemical engineering.</p>
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I don't think so. Maybe for MBA, stanford is a little bit more prestigious since HAAS has only started to shine only in past 5-6 years. But for Law, Berkeley is still regarded more prestigious internationally than Stanford. **</p>
<p>Posted by: Sam Lee</p>
<p>One more observation:
it's usaully the Cal students/alums that put Cal above Stanford and claim that's how "others" perceive it; yet, pretty much all of the "others" (not Stanford students) put Stanford ahead.</p>
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<p>**
Crap! I'm not a student of Berkeley, my older brother went to Wharton Business School and my dad acquired his MSEE at Stanford way back in the 70s.**</p>
<p>Posted by: the_prestige</p>
<p>Umm, except you've forgotten to mention Cal's glaring hole which is its relatively weaker (frankly much weaker) undergrad program (no. 21 USNEWS) when compared to the likes of HYPSM (which are generally 1-5 in one form or another).</p>
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<p>**
This thread asks which is prestigious in the world. If you agree that UC Berkeley is a top school for grad studies, then it must follow that people outside of the US think of Berkeley as a top school, because the majority of international students apply to US schools for grad studies. </p>
<p>If I wish to take up MS or PhD in Civil Engineering, for example, would I need to check out how the school perform in the undergrad level??? Or, are those people who apply to Harvard Business School concern about undergrad business degree at Harvard??? It does not even have an undergrad business program...... think man. **</p>
<p>Posted by: the_prestige</p>
<p>I'm glad we're getting the hang of this, here is a quick "reference guide" (not meant to be a complete list):</p>
<p>Schools with Familiarity [bBUT less Prestige:**
- New York U
- Boston U
- UC Los Angeles
- UC Berkeley
- University of Michigan</p>
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<p>**
Hahaha, what an obvious Berkeley hater! He must have been rejected there when he applied for undergrad studies.</p>
<p>Care to apply there again for your MS and let's see if you still have the same big mouth to label it no a top school. hahaahhaah.....</p>
<p>**</p>
<p>jags861
Member</p>
<p>Posted by: jags861</p>
<p>the 3 "most prestigious schools in the world" will be the same as the 3 "most presitigous schools in the united states" - if everyone agrees that the 3 most prestigious schools in the US are more prestigious than any schools abroad. If prestige doesnt have any correlation to familiarity, as the_prestige says (and i agree with him), then it shouldn't matter where one is asking the question - as the quality of a school doesn't diminish the further away one gets from it.</p>
<p>Therefore, if the 3 most prestigious schools in the US are HYP, then they are the 3 most prestigious schools in the world. </p>
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No, if we include schools outside of the US, then it would be: Harvard, Oxford and Cambridge. Definitely.**</p>
<p>Reasons:</p>
<p>Harvard faculty has won most nobel prizes in the world, most national medals of science (33 winners) in USA. It has the most elected members in USA national academies (270+ members). It is super strong in everything except in engineering. In terms of quality, regardless of its size, Harvard engineering faculty is still top-notched.</p>
<p>Stanford has won second most national medals of science (32 winneres), most Turing award in the world. It has 18 living Nobel prize winners in its current staff (#1 in the world). It has 2nd most elected members in USA national academies (260+ members). Stanford is super strong in everything: humanities, social science, science, engineering, and professional schools.
In the last decades, Stanford has been THE leading institution in new technology inventions: internet, wireless, DSL, microprocessor, unix work station, GPS, robot car, robot arm, digital musics sythesis, genetic engineering, and micro-array, just name a few. </p>
<p>Berkeley has won most Wolf prizes in the world. It has 2nd most elected members in USA National Academy of science (NAS), most members in areas like math, physics, and chemistry. In 1995 NRC ph.d programs ranking, Berkeley has 35 programs ranked in top ten, ahead of both Stanford and Harvard. According to that ranking, Berkeley is the most well-rounded university in USA.</p>
<p>In science and engineering, MIT and Caltech are comparable to Stanford and Berkeley.
In humanities and science, Princeton competes with these 3.</p>
<p>databook,</p>
<p>Let's just say I give you that. But aside from these "academic" fields, there are also professional schools where Stanford/Harvard are clearly above Berkeley. As I said earlier, these are the fields that impact the business/political (e.g. Yahoo founders whom many people in the world know about; Superme Court judges...) world more and carry more name recognition around the globe.</p>
<p>MABUHAY,</p>
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But for Law, Berkeley is still regarded more prestigious internationally than Stanford.
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Either you are outrageously biased or you have been living in a different universe.
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I doubt if Asian people would go to Princeton if they get into UC Berkeley. You probabaly asked the wrong guys.
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The yield for internationals was only 40s% last year. That means the majority of admits turned down Berkeley for some place else despite it's actually CHEAPER than privates! If Berkeley is so "well-regarded" by internationals like you claimed, it's yield wouldn't be this low. Sorry to burst your bubble.</p>
<p>Sam,</p>
<p>I agree with you that Harvard and Stanford are a little better in professional schools. But Berkeley has more top 10 programs in other areas according to NRC, more than stanford and harvard.</p>
<p>I think Berkeley is a good school but baiscally what MABUHAY posts is ridiculous.</p>
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Aurelius, I think many people around the world would take offense to that comment. Why should people from other nations be expected to know American Schools? Without searching on the internet, can you tell me the most prominent school in Holland (I doubt it)? Therefore, do you not "matter". I think what you intended <em>cough</em>to say is there are two kinds of people: informed and misinformed.
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Exaclty. In that case, I wouldn't matter. I freely admit that my opinion here on any American or international school essentially doesn't matter because I'm not someone who's recruiting researchers, MBAs or making business contacts. But If I were someone, let's say, who is hiring from the Netherlands, then in that case I would matter. But then, I would probably be more informed about the situation.</p>
<p>Essentially, I'm stating the difference between familiarity and prestige.</p>
<p>can someone please teach MABUHAY how to use quotes, this genius obviously needs a little assistance...</p>
<p>nice one the_prestige lol</p>