<p>r-mom, can you even pretend to be civil? Jeez. LOL. I think you just might not know the answer. ;) Is that possible? Gee. Who is acting threatened now? And another thread torpedoed by the forces of darkness. LOL.</p>
<p>cur, what are you talking about - where was I "not civil"?</p>
<p>I was asking a question , making an observation, (and being polite about it, too !!) and the response I get is a totally dismissive "Jane, you ignorant slut....your question shows your ignorance of the entire area". LOL.</p>
<p>And it was so unneccessary to the conversation.</p>
<p>Cur wrote "But preferences change with circumstance, don't they?"</p>
<p>No, they don't. Most researchers have not tied preferences to brain development. One is born with one's "preferences". If a parent has more than one child, and knows what to look for, ones sees this almost immediately.</p>
<p>Personality preference is like hand preference. If you are right-handed, you may be able to write with your left-hand. You may even write better with your left hand than a left-handed person can write. But, it will never be as natural for you as writing with your natural preference. It takes more energy and more focus than the natural feel of writing with your preferred hand. </p>
<p>So, it is with personality type. You may do well with your non-preferences, but it will always be "felt". It will eventually take it's toll.</p>
<p>Most researchers have not tied preferences to brain development. </p>
<p>back on track. Great!!</p>
<p>I understand, but my q is not necessarily tied to brain development, or is it? Is it your understanding that nurture plays no role? "One is born with one's preferences?" How widely accepted is this?</p>
<p>So, it is with personality type. You may do well with your non-preferences, but it will always be "felt". It will eventually take it's toll.</p>
<p>^^^^ It seems that you are speaking more of a kid who would prefer to bat left hand-ed ( naturally occurring preference) but was made to bat right-handed. I am talking about a switch hitter, one that can morph fluidly between the two depending on the pitcher and the circumstances of the game. Now whether they are truly ambi-dexterous (natural) or, as is far more often the case , one hand is dominant (making the switch-hitting learned bahavior)...that would make a difference. Interesting. To me at least.</p>
<p>^^^^ It seems that you are speaking more of a kid who would prefer to bat left hand-ed (preference) but was made to bat right-handed. I am talking about a switch hitter, one that can morph fluidly between the two depending on the pitcher and the circumstances of the game. Now whether they are truly ambi-dexterous or as is far more often the case , one hand is dominant...that would make a difference. Interesting. To me at least."</p>
<p>Based on those I know, the "switch hitters" still have an innate preference. Remember, we're not talking "results" we're talking preference. One might ask, how did they first bat? Before any instruction, the first time they picked up a bat and swung? </p>
<p>I made a typo in my above post - I meant to say "most researchers have tied preferences to brain development." Thus, they are born with their preference.</p>
<p>Nurture does not play a role in "preference" except to the degree it encourages a child "falsify type" - as when the parent does not understand a child's preference and thus seeks to change them. Or when they cause a child to distrust their preferences.</p>
<p>r-mom, I'm just using baseball as a visual prop. R-H or L-H? And I'm questioning whether or not there is a third type, LOL , 'cause hand dominance is not my point of inquiry. </p>
<p>And that's what I'm doing, trying to ask questions and test ideas. I'm not trying to one-up anybody. I was wanting a discussion. My thoughts are far more back on schoolwork and test-taking and that "stuff" - not the ball-park or even my courtroom lawyer example.</p>
<p>Cur, there is a lot of research done on learning styles and preference also. But, it's all part of the same package of preferences and how they manifest themselves in various situations and environments.</p>
<p>Nurture does not play a role in "preference" except to make a child "falsify type" - as when the parent does not understand a child's preference and thus seeks to change them. Or when they cause a child to distrust their preferences.</p>
<p>^^^ How accepted a view is this?</p>
<p>As an aside, how accurate are folks at judging their true preferences?</p>
<p>OOPS. R-mom. I am so far OT. I'll ask in a p.m. </p>
<p>To the OP, I apologize again. We got sidetracked.</p>
<p>^^^It's fairly well accepted among type theorists and psychologists.</p>
<p>Personality type is really about just two issues - the way you perceive or take in information and the way you make decisions. </p>
<p>These two issues are then further enhanced by your orientation to the world - do you draw your energy from others and the world (extravert) or from within yourself (introvert). This aspect is not about your popularity/sociability. </p>
<p>The last factor is how you conduct yourself in the "outer world". Do you prefer to perceive or judge.</p>
<p>These four simple indicators can be combined to produce 16 distinct personality types. </p>
<p>Kids who have a different personality type from their parents often feel they are "wrong" and thus try to change. So do kids who don't have the personality type of high school teachers (which is very different from that of college professors) and kids who have a different "type" from the majority of kids at their school. Girls who have a the type more commonly found in males and vice versa often have a hard time until reaching the university where they find "soulmates". </p>
<p>Generally, with enough exposure to many different types of courses/people/work, kids find themselves.</p>
<p>While not being able to buy into all you have written, there are some very interesting things that pop out at me. I will ponder. ;)</p>
<p>If it is this accepted, do you believe it is possible to categorize and catalog colleges , especially small ones, by these 16 personality types, or even more specifically the %ages of those types within each school?? has anybody legit done that on a comphrehensive basis? (I know we all do it, or something like it, by the seat of our pants and call it a part of "fit".:))</p>
<p>I can see it now in PR: a column showing %ages of the 16 types, or main types.</p>
<p>I actually thought about this. I wish I had started earlier. My son is a rising senior and I wish I had this information!!!!!!!!!! Oh, how I wish!!!!!</p>
<p>Want to write a book together? <grin> </grin></p>
<p>Seriously, I did think about it when I stumbled across a thread describing some schools as "male or female". Do you remember that topic? Generally, "female" is associated with "feeling" and "male is associated with "thinking". Feeling - the word used to describe the subjective, thinking referring to objective.</p>
<p>I know there are many schools/programs/textbooks which divide along the lines of sensor and intuitive.</p>
<p>Yes. I remember the male/female college thing. I thought it was very interesting, too. And if I remember , we didn't have that many schools where people fought over the classifications. A great deal of unanimity, at least for here.;)</p>
<p>^^^Want to write a book together? <grin> </grin></p>
<p>I think it would sell. I'd have bought it. Of course, I bought all of it. ;)</p>
<p>"Yes. I remember the male/female college thing. I thought it was very interesting, too. And if I remember , we didn't have that many schools where people fought over the classifications. A great deal of unanimity."</p>
<p>Exactly! And, remember while most agreed on the classification - not all wanted to enroll. Some visited and applied and others ran far away! In other words, some loved what they observed, others hated it, but most agreed on the observation.</p>
<p>Similarly, I've seen kids assigned texts and been totally befuddled by the subject matter go buy a text by a different author that makes the subject crystal clear.</p>
<p>"I think it would sell. I'd have bought it. Of course, I bought all of it."</p>
<p>Oh, you got started way before me - I'm just now trying to find all of it - and I'll buy it too!" (must be my P <grin>)</grin></p>
<p>I'll respond in p.m. :) Thanks for the conversation.</p>
<p>This is absolutely fascinating. If you two write a book, I will buy the first copy. I'm really into this train of thought this year as I watched S1 choose a college. As an adult you do tend to find a company and a career that "fits" and much of that has to do with your personality, your decision making style, your communication style... This is really the elusive "fit" that we all talk about I think. A kid gloms onto a school because of how it feels. I think the ones that the ones who switch schools do so because it doesn't fit their personal learning style or the pace of the school - too slow, too fast, whatever...this all has to do with personality types. Fascinating.</p>
<p>As I have posted to r-mom in p.m.'s I am musing on how well people answer the q's to begin the process.</p>
<p>And I allowed as to how I wasn't kidding about the examiner quitting during a test of me.:eek: It would be very frustrating for the examiner, and to be honest I don't think I could answer all that many questions. "I can't answer that without knowing this." LOL. Well, either that or instead of 4 letters, mine would say "Don't let him leave the room alive".</p>
<p>I was wondering if spouses and close associates are asked to take the tests "for" the subject, and then compare the answers. That could get interesting.</p>
<p>A kid gloms onto a school because of how it feels. </p>
<p>Or doesn't . ;) I agree and sometimes that feel, while still accurate, comes really fast and we are left wondering "What the Hell just happened?"</p>