<p>Midterm just ended.
The exam was from 9PM-11PM.
Weeder course? More like pouring gasoline on the grass and lighting a match to get rid of the weeds.
I am so tired.</p>
<p>Well, we did try to warn you (there have been 4 threads on here where the difficulty of Tiller's course was mentioned in the past 100 days). Still, I feel your pain--especially knowing that it is possible you might have to drop the course and take it again based upon your comments. I think 8 hours of instruction before a midterm to learn as much as Tiller tests you on is just not enough.</p>
<p>On this subject, I should also mention that Mary Camp for Economics is ranked even more difficult than Tiller per ratemyprofessors.com</p>
<p>I guess not every professor can be considered the "easy" or "excellent" ones.</p>
<p>The midterm average was 73
I got a 70
At this point its not even worth whining about how hard I prepared for the test. I knew about this class from reading CC months before Orientation. Tiller isn't a bad teacher he just seems to take some wierd pleasure in writing trick questions. The thought of taking it all over makes me want to cry. </p>
<p>Stay or drop? Remember that scene from Dirty Harry? "Do you feel lucky punk? well do you?"</p>
<p>My son is in a similar position and we are recommending that he drop the class and start over in January. </p>
<p>The amount of time & effort that would be necessary to bring the grade up for a one hour credit would be excessive, would not guarantee that the grade would improve, and would diminish the time he would have to study for the rest of his classes. We think the time would be better spent concentrating on doing well in those.</p>
<p>Good luck whatever you decide!</p>
<p>Thanks IMom. I woke up late this morning, went running and made my decision to drop the class. </p>
<p>Good luck to your son in January. I'll be there too.</p>
<p>Oh, I forgot to mention that it costs 8 dollars to drop a course. Its billed to the Bursar account.</p>
<p>i made a 73, i'm going to pull it out</p>
<p>I think you can pull a B even with the 73 on the first exam.</p>
<p>My son is a freshman and in a business FIG. He is scheduled to take A100 the second half of this semester. He is very worried about this class keeping him from being admitted to Kelley for next year. After looking over the prerequisites, it seems that this "weeder" class is not among them. Would he be better off avoiding this class until next year? Could he take it at a community college this summer? If he takes it and has to withdraw, would that be worse than not taking it all. Or am I mistaken and this is a prerequisite.</p>
<p>The class is not a requirement for admittance to Kelley. It is however, a requirement in order to take the next two accounting courses--Financial Accounting (A201) and Management Accounting (A202)--and these are both requirements for I-Core, which must be taken during the junior year.</p>
<p>Most students like to take I-Core the first semester of junior year (this is so they can finish all the major requirements over the three remaining semesters and not try to cram them into two semester). Since most students also like to take the accounting courses in separate semesters, meaning one in the first semester of their sophomore year, and one in the second semester of their sophomore year, this requires that the A100 course (Tiller's course) be taken prior to the start of the sophomore year.</p>
<p>As you've seen by the comments here, quite often the course has to be retaken, thus the counselors normally encourage that it be taken during the first semester of the freshman year. This provides the second semester as a backup if the student withdraws or fails to pass the course during the first semester.</p>
<p>The reason more students don't take it either before freshman year or during the summer between freshman and sophomore years (thereby avoiding Tiller) is that (1) they don't know how tough the course is, and (2) it's not offered during summer sessions. Thus, you would have to find a one-unit accounting course somewhere else that Indiana University would accept in place of this A100 course, and then you would have to take it somewhere besides IU. I presume this could be done--there is a form you get from admissions to allow this--but I haven't heard of anyone doing this. Also, you then have to get the course approved by the admissions office as completed before they let you register for the next accounting courses (A201 and A202)--and this is a problem since you are supposed to register for the sophomore Fall courses before summer session even starts.</p>
<p>Another possibility is to take the course somewhere else during the summer between freshman and sophomore year--and then, since your son couldn't apply for Accounting A201 during the Fall Semester (you sign up the previous April), you have him also take the Accounting A201 course also during the second summer session either at Indiana or at a different college. (It might be possible to have him add the course in the Fall, but usually these classes are full already--which is why this isn't a real option). </p>
<p>Taking the courses during the summer can be done--but as you can see, it's quite difficult--and expensive since you are now paying for extra classes and housing and meals during these summer sessions.</p>
<p>My suggestion is to look at my previous thread on what to study and have your son get the CD I mentioned and study hard using it. Then he'll be ready to take this in the second 8-week period of the Fall Semester. If worst comes to worst, he'll still has an 8-week period in the Spring Semester available to retake it. </p>
<p>With sufficient study, it shouldn't come to that.</p>
<p>P.S. Don't be afraid to have him take a "W" in this the first time around if he is a borderline case. Nobody really cares about the "W"--but they do care about a "D" or "F" that he might get. Also, for those who do get "D"s or "F"s in this class and retake it, Indiana has a special grading policy that allows the first grade to be removed if you specify you are retaking to do so. But this can only be done while your student has less than 45 units completed--thus another reason for taking Tiller's course early. Check out this special policy here <a href="http://registrar.indiana.edu/%7Eregistra/extendedx.shtml%5B/url%5D">http://registrar.indiana.edu/~registra/extendedx.shtml</a>.</p>
<p>Actually, I have a mistake in my last paragraph on the previous post. The grade is not removed from your record--it is just not used in the computation of your Indiana University GPA.</p>
<p>I thought I posted last night but it isn't here. I bought the cds (used with book) and sent them to my son. They don't have much time to review before class starts, I hope they might be helpful during the 8 weeks too. I also found that in Indiana(and the only other state with acceptable transfer credit is Massachusetts), Ivy Tech is the only place that is accepted as an alternative to A100 and one has to complete 6 credits to fulfill the requirement. With an A grade in both 3 credit classes students would get credit for A100 and 201 with one B of two classes, credit is given only for A100. Pretty tough.</p>
<p>For those wondering which CDs I recommended, here is the link:</p>
<p>I notice, however, that the order of the chapters on the CDs has changed slightly.</p>
<p>The ones covered in Tiller's class are:</p>
<p>Chapters 1-5 on first test (no change here)
and
Chapters 6, 7, 8 , 17, and 23 on the second test </p>
<p>Thanks, jcarol for posting the info on transfer courses. It's amazing that they should make it so rough to get the credit elsewhere. It seems to me that they really do want everyone to take Tiller's course--meaning they really are using it as a "weed-out" course for the business school.</p>
<p>Calcruzer
Thank you for the information. My son has been admitted to fall 2008 class. I assume he will be a direct admit to Kelly, he has not gotten letter yet, just confirmation on admissions web site. If he is does he only need to make sure he gets a C or better in A100? I assume he will not be under the same pressure to get an A in this class for Kelly admission purposes.</p>
<p>Yes, that is correct--if he is a direct admit to Kelley, he will only need a "C". </p>
<p>If he gets a direct admit scholarship, some of these require that he maintain a 3.4 or 3.0 GPA overall. Obviously, a "C" in BUS A100 would have to be offset by higher grades in the other classes, but the good news is that BUS A100 is only a one-unit class.</p>
<p>Congratulations to your son on his IU-B admission, and best of luck on getting direct admit status.</p>
<p>A-100 (round 2) starts 10/22. Good luck to everyone joining me. This time we're going to make it.</p>
<p>Good luck, #6 and anyone else making a second attempt. Although, I'm pretty sure by now you all realize that you need more than luck to pass this class!</p>
<p>Just finished the course. Seriously its not that hard. Having successfully finished the course, I would like to add the following points-</p>
<p>1) Go to class--- 10% of your grade is from attendance. Apart from that, the stuff that he does teach will get you started to move on to the more advanced problems.</p>
<p>2) Solve each and every problem on the practice tests, the exam is almost similar.</p>
<p>3) The best advice, attend the REVIEW SESSION. Lindsey Kinser (Grad Assistant) does a great job. That one class taught me more than what Tiller did in 12 odd classes. It can easily increase your score by 20%.</p>
<p>4) I have heard that Tiller won't be teaching from next semester, but the above-mentioned points should still help you.</p>
<p>hey guys,</p>
<p>I'm so happy, made it through A100 with a B!!!</p>
<p>I got a C- on the midterm, but a B+ on the final. Personally for me, managerial accounting(what u learn in the other 4 weeks) is easier than financial. My advice is just stick with the class and study a lot. I did about 3 practice tests before the final.</p>
<p>goodluck to everybody</p>
<p>According to the grade distribution report, A100 was offered in the first summer session the last two years. Tiller taught it in 2006. Head taught it in 2007 and only 14 of 93 students withdrew from Head's class. Almost half the class that did not withdraw got a B+ or better (36 of 79). It is on the preliminary schedule as being offered in two sections during Summer I in 2008, but I don't know who will be teaching.</p>
<p>Summer</a> Sessions at Indiana University Bloomington - Summer Sessions[1]/section[1]</p>
<p>A100 is offered too early probably for most entering freshmen to take. Summer class looks like a good last gasp option for those who don't pass it freshman year and don't throw in the towel.</p>