<p>I wish there could be some sort of “life score” added to everyone’s apps, almost like SATs, but one that measures one’s morals. Obviously, no such idealistic score exists, as character is of more importance than a number could ever make it. Just as bad things happen to good people, good things happen to bad people. Still, I agree with everyone who’s said that you should be the bigger person and move on. I’d like to think that karma gets to everyone eventually, in a good way or bad. You do the right thing now, you’ll get the reward later. It’s not so much about where you go to school, but what you do with your time there, and how you position yourself for your life afterwards. So many people get into schools illegitimately, from cheating on the SATs to their parents donating millions of dollars to doing just what your friend did. Look at the financial crisis- obviously, some people never develop morals, even if they went to top schools. They’re the real losers in life.</p>
<p>Thank you everyone for our responses. I really appreciate it. And yes, I am jealous to an extent, that she can sit in such a comfortable position as I wait with doubt to see whether I am accepted to the colleges I wish to enter. It has been increasingly difficult since the “incident” to believe in karma and fate and those sorts of objective views on life, but I will do my best to try and not grovel down on the ground with her.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t do it. Ruin the LIFE of a classmate over something as minor as a club? You already stripped her of a scholarship, and its probably far enough. You will feel guilty if she loses her acceptance. Just my 2 cents.</p>
<p>An eye for an eye just makes everyone blind. No matter what she did, she was your friend some day. Doing that won’t really help anyone, it would just take her future away. Do you really want to do that?</p>
<p>Hopefully it will catch up to her.
As a physician, I must say that I dealt with people like this girl all though college, medschool and residency. I have seen people sabotage chemistry labs, cheat on tests, lie on applications, brown nose everyone in authority and frequently still make it to the next level. They are usually people not worth associating with and I would just keep clear of them. Frequently they will be called out for it in the end but many times not.</p>
<p>I would disagree completely with your actions. Honestly, you back stabbed her first and over what? A scholarship you had no chance or moreover the intention of winning? If she was your friend and the only thing on the line was the scholarship that she won, why wouldn’t you let her win it even if it meant that she had to exaggerate a bit about her contributions to the club? How did it affect you? That’s not to mention her side of the story. I mean your telling me you ruined a perfectly fine friendship and came across as a rat because you felt like you needed to intercede on behalf of some higher power and conscience? I would go as far as calling you naive.</p>
<p>I’m with the majority of the people here, your childish self righteousness is coming from nowhere but some deluded sense of justice. If someone were to find a hundred dollar bill on the ground, then you would be the person to snatch it from them, burn it, and be proud of yourself for correcting the injustice that is that person’s benefit. The fact that you would do this, try to get their acceptance revoked ON TOP of getting their scholarship revoked, and to a friend, is nothing short of sickening. All I can say is that I hope you gave yourself a nice long pat on the back for destroying her scholarship and being, what you no doubt consider, a good and honest person.</p>
<p>To everyone who says “Don’t do it, it’ll catch up to her eventually anyway”: how about it catches up to her now? These types of people getting done in is not some consequence of luck or karma… What if everyone who has been wronged by them thought the same way? I also don’t understand the commentary that “many people are like this” or “she’ll fit right in”. In no way should that make it acceptable in this context.</p>
<p>I’m also quite distrustful of the “be a bigger person” argument. Suppose the topic creator were an impartial observer who found out about this situation as opposed to the directly wronged leader of the club. Oh wait, the rest of you actually are in this position. In which case, I’m appalled you wouldn’t let Penn know.</p>
<p>Re: the argument that the punishment is disproportionate - she knew what she was getting into when she lied.</p>
<p>Mimble, if you have sufficient (substantial) evidence to back up your claims against her at Penn, do it. Otherwise, drop it.</p>
<p>The OP is a little beezy. Seriously.</p>
<p>Well said. DreamingofIvy</p>
<p>BTW @ the person who started the thread.</p>
<p>Can you give me her name? I’m in Wharton class of 2014 as well. It would be a nice place to start a converstaion. “you remember that self righteous bleep?.. So where did she end up going to?..LOL”</p>
<p>Omega Sanction, your argument is rather weak.</p>
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How about not. Who are you to determine fate? Who are you to determine this is the action that should break her?</p>
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Hyperbole is not effective rhetoric. Someone will eventually find it advantageous to not get mixed up with her and that will be her punishment (damage to reputation). </p>
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What kind of self-righteous, naive reaction is this? Do you correct every wrong you know about in the world? There are kids dying of hunger - go fly to Africa and give them food. The OP has no duty of care for integrity of Penn adcom so is not anyhow bound to act upon the information.</p>
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Do you have proof that she knew? On the contrary, her abilities to plan her future are not fully developed as of yet (and law recognizes this fact - that’s why we try juveniles different from adults, they can’t comprehend the consequences of their actions as well).</p>
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This advice is horrendous on two accounts:
Your intangible and negligible benefits of destroying this girl’s life are far lower than the energy you’ll have to invest in getting the task done. Furthermore, you have to discount the benefit by the probability that you’ll be successful in getting her booted.
Making an accusation like that could land you in court under intentional tort. Even if she doesn’t win, you’ll bleed significantly in attorney fees. She has no fees because her lawyer will agree to 1/3 of potential cut. Can your college fund afford this?</p>
<p>necrophiliac, I’ll address the rest of the argument later. Although, most of it (and mine) is about our views on the world and senses of ‘justice’ (if you want a strong word), so maybe there isn’t much to address as there’s little that can be reconciled.</p>
<p>However, two things…</p>
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Does UPenn not make you sign your name, acknowledging that the information on your application is factual under punishment of possibly having your decision rescinded? This is not a rhetorical question, but I was under the assumption this practice was standard.</p>
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Someone once told me hyperbole is not effective rhetoric. In any case, I did say mimble should only bother with it if they has substantial backing. Also, regarding the ‘intangible’ and ‘negligible benefits’, I think upholding their sense of right is enough. But not every action has to be for benefits, although we can show that sometimes inflicting pain upon others is benefit too (schadenfreude, sadism, call it whatever you want).</p>
<p>karmas a b*@!# i think if you do anything you will end up looking like the bad guy…i would just let her live her life and she will get whats coming to her</p>
<p>Don’t do it. Seriously, it is not worth it. I am sure that she will get her punishment
and you will be rewarded for your hard work.</p>
<p>I agree with everyone, if she gets her karma she gets her karma. This is not uncommon, however. I bet a good portion of people stretch the truth on college apps. Also, getting taken advantage of is part of life. You know shes a bad friend now, so you can forget about her, go to college and move on. Alot of people in life are like this girl, but because we are no longer 3, we can’t tattle. Just accept it, and associate with different people in the future.</p>
<p>Omega Sanction. Right on.</p>
<p>-You are definitely hurt
-You are very upset
-You want revenge
-Probably you don’t sleep
-Probably you have experienced constant thoughts about the whole ordeal
-Probably you have interrupted your sleep thinking in this incidence
-You want the girl to be punished
-You have been hurt deeply!</p>
<p>What can you do? Move on and forget the horrible incident…time will help!</p>
<p>What if you do what you propose…What if you follow that person that wants to convince you that it is right to tell and that you should tell and report that girl? </p>
<p>If you do “You” will be “MISERABLE” ALL your life!
MARK MY WORDS!!! NOT WORTHY…believe me…even thought you have experienced the pain…the revenge will be sour!!</p>
<p>Better described as a pyrrhic victory:
-A Pyrrhic victory is a victory with devastating cost to the victor.
-A very costly victory, wherein the considerable losses outweigh the gain, so as to render the struggle not worth the cost</p>
<p>I find the level of arrogance in this thread, much less the opening post alone, absolutely disgusting. Instead of flinging about your esoteric and personal (I can not add enough emphasis to that word) notions of justice, I suggest you examine your own motivation. I don’t even understand why you ruined that scholarship; a benefit to your friend is a benefit to you, that is, if he/she is truly your friend. A true friend enjoys the success of his companion, not merely his own triumphs. I am inclined to believe that the OP has a deep need for external acceptance–when his/her efforts are not rewarded (or, worse, others are seemingly unfairly recognized) he/she naturally strikes out in bitterness and frustration. I ask you to question how much of a friendship you actually have with this person and why the abject destruction of your (ostensible) friend’s dreams appears so enticing.</p>
<p>Which brings me to a finer point: your notions are morality seriously flawed. It is NOT your obligation to fix what is “wrong” with the world, and it is also NOT your prerogative to judge what is “right” and “wrong” in the first place. Let her find her own path; she may eventually come to share your viewpoint, or she may not. That is for her to decide.</p>
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<p>Uh, I believe that she destroyed her own scholarship. The OP is merely the messenger, folks.</p>
<p>Most of you posters are being pretty ugly. Clearly, the OP felt equivocal, conflicted, and was asking for mature counsel. He/She wasn’t asking to be excoriated for seeking input. It reminds of the kid who is told to that he or she can go to his/her parents with any problem, approaches about wrecking the car, for example, and then gets abuse for the act as opposed to some substantive and constructive input.</p>
<p>Everyone, look in the mirror forthwith. Jeez! You’re being unnecessarily punitive or have had your own complicity with dishonesty in the past and aren’t copping to it and choosing to discharge on the OP, instead.</p>