<p>" it is possible to die from alcohol poisoning, but most cases like that occur at college with kids who either a) don't know what they're doing drinking-wise or b) are being hazed and try to drink a ridiculous amount of alcohol in a night (a kid who tried to down two handles (~120 oz) of vodka after being told to and later died comes to mind)). Alcohol-related injuries (falls, etc.) are possible, but again serious ones (more than scrapes or minor bruises) are rare relative to the amount of drunken stupidity in the world."</p>
<p>"Don't try to intimidate me with medical facts; I know most any alcohol related fact backwards and forwards. I don't take blind risks, and I'm fully aware of the risks I take with drinking. In my mind, the benefits of drinking - the fun, the camaraderie, the burn of that first shot - vastly outweight the costs (I've paid my dues for drinking in a number of ways). I learned as much from drinking/partying during high school as I did from classes (and I took 14 APs), not to mention that while a lot of the things I learned in HS I'll never really use again (i.e. chemistry), I'll always use the skills I learned from drinking/partying (how to read a situation, a lot about people in general, etc.). You're every bit as ignorant as you accuse me of being, quiltguru."</p>
<p>A Cornell student, whose screen name is Lucifer11287, as noted on facebook, passed away this weekend after attending a fraternity party at UVA.</p>
<p>Once, my D had three girls spend the night, in the morning, i found a half full glass of some alcohol, cut with just a touch of water</p>
<p>Knowing the girls that were here and their moms, (they were 7th graders at the time), I called the moms and told them what I found- I had no proof of which girl (mine or theirs) made the drink, if in fact anyone drank it, if my D was aware (she says not)</p>
<p>When telling the moms, I said I didn't know for sure if anyone drank it or who made it, my D said she knew nothing about it, but we had a long talk, one mom thanked me graciously and she said she would just have a talk as well, another mom blew me off, saying no big deal, and the third was angry at me, and that it NEVER could have been her daughter</p>
<p>I wasn't expecting major punishments, but I would have wanted to know</p>
<p>i was really suprised by the different reactions</p>
<p>This is so very tragic. And lucifer's posts here are very haunting. He has several posts on CC about drinking and being under control as if invincable. </p>
<p>Just one of several quotes of his in this vein:</p>
<p>"Take your talk of "haze" elsewhere - I enjoy drinking, but I certainly don't go through life in a haze. I'm on track to either double or triple major plus get an MEng in 8 semesters, I run marathons for fun, and generally live life to its fullest. I do not drink myself into a stupor and waste days, months and years. Drinking is a recreational activity that I very much enjoy, but I keep it in its place - drinking only with friends and only when it won't interfere with my other goals (I'm not Bode Miller, I don't drink before marathons or prelims). Alcohol hasn't limited me in any way, nor has it ever prevented me from achieving success. I'm sorry that alcohol has caused you such problems, binx, but I'm not telling you to drink. I'm just counteracting the anti-alcohol posts that everyone else seems to have and saying that it is possible for alcohol to be a positive, enjoyable thing. That, and also showing that liability wise that drunk driving (or other dangerous activity after drinking, like drunk jetskiing) is by far the biggest problem because it is far easier and far more likely that someone will drink and drive and kill themselves/someone else than it is they will drink enough to stop breathing."</p>
<p>This subject came up in various posts of his. I hope something good can come of this terrible loss of such a promising life and the pain his family will endure. I hope students read his past posts and his take of being able to drink moderately and having no problem and nothing bad was going to happen. It has. It's tragic. </p>
<p>His own words that he has left here will hopefully do some good.</p>
<p>Wow, this is the most shocking and awful thing I have ever read about underage drinking. His posts in this thread and the end result should be required reading for all high schoolers who think they know it all about drinking and limits. I am so saddened by this, it is haunting, like he is speaking from beyond.</p>
<p>I am going to go home from work, hug my kids and tell them I love them, then open up CC and have them read this thread.</p>
<p>So right, ag, his words are a big flag from beyond.</p>
<p>Posting and posting and posting. From a very busy life in Ithaca? From a NMF athlete?</p>
<p>It doesn't add up. I read his words as so much braggadacio. I shouldn't have. I should have realized that a bright 19 year old male who returns to CC to obsessively post destructive thoughts is a 19 year old male in real trouble. Why did he bother with those posts in the Parent cafe? He was seeking help.</p>
<p>Sometimes troubled kids are more obvious. This one wasn't. I'm gonna look out for Matthew types in the future. </p>
<p>What a loss for his poor family. Cyber hugs to them.</p>
<p>Considering that we were reading lucifer's posts defending underage drinking just a few weeks ago this is indeed a sobering and chilling story on CC. No matter how misguided he was, he should be alive today and able to grow up and mature just like the rest of our kids. If only someone around him had been sober or brave enough to call 911 and see that he was evaluated for alcohol poisoning. He would be alive and just fine at this moment. What is it going to take to get through to our "smart" kids that their bodies have limits and can overdose?<br>
Charlottesville is a wonderful college town. How sad I am to know that he died visiting our state's university and that a combination of immaturity, ignorance and poor judgment..contributed to his untimely death. My heart goes out to his parents. These wake up calls seem to never really make enough of an impact.</p>
<p>I too am saddened and dumbstruck to learn of lucifer's death -- but I think that this should be set up as separate thread. In fact, I think it would be a good idea to set up a flagged/featured thread about drinking on campus that includes links to some his posts as well as to the obituary. </p>
<p>This should not happen to any student and it is an absolute tragedy no matter what opinions Matt/Lucifer has espoused... but I am thinking that it may cause some other kids to think twice about their own attitudes to read both Matt's words and spirited defense of his lifestyle, and to be aware of his untimely death.</p>
<p>I have chosen to split today's posts from the old thread that they were posted on as the topic warrants its own thread. It is an important "must read" for parents and students alike. </p>
<p>This young man, apparently an excellent student both in and out of the classroom, has lost his life in his prime. I've discovered, as others have, that he was a frequent poster on CC, as recently as the day before he passed away. He has many posts but what stand out right now are his posts that discuss his views on young people and drinking. I believe some good can come of his terrible loss in his own words left here on CC. Young people do not think it will happen to them but here, tragically, it has. I hope Matt's words live on so that other students can learn from his loss. </p>
<p>The thread where this was first posted includes some of lucifer's previous posts, as do other threads. The thread I split today's postings about lucifer's tragic loss of life is:</p>
<p>I know the CC "family" joins me in sending prayers to lucifer's family and friends and that his life will have lasting meaning for us all. I am going to also post this on a student forum as I feel lucifer's peers may benefit from his story that includes his own words. There are many posts of Matt's on the forum besides these.</p>
<p>This is unbelievable. So very sad. I remember reading Lucifer's posts too, and shaking my head, but did not expect this. I guess one never expects this. I wish he had gotten the help he needed. So tragic.</p>
I am ignorant? I can tell you, both statistically and anecdotally, that it is very rare and comparitively hard for someone to drink themselves to death. Me and my friends are all very experienced drinkers, and we all know exactly how we get when we drink too much, so we go by those signs. For those we don't know as well, we ensure that they throw up (so they don't absorb any more alcohol from their stomach) and are responsive and reasonably coherent to make sure they won't die. Given the huge number of teens who drink, and the amount that many teens drink combined with the risky drinking patterns inherent in teen drinking (chugging, taking lots of shots before you can even fully feel the first one, the list goes on and on), and the relatively small number of pure alcohol (i.e. stopped breathing) deaths compared to both the number of drinkers and the number of people who die from drinking and driving, it is clear that drinking is usually only problematic when combined with driving. Honestly, that's why I like drinking with experienced drinkers - it is MUCH harder for someone with a tolerence to drink themselves dead than it is for a drinking novice who has no idea of how to drink and also has no tolerence.
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<p>:( :( Does anyone have an official report on his cause of death?
He seemed very smart</p>
<p>i think the link links to a new article or something. The one I just read made no mention that alcohol was even remotely involved in his death. All I see is that he went to a party. Do you (the OP) know from some inside source?</p>
<p>I started reading @ this earlier today and have thought about it throughout the evening. I am truly sorry for the family and close friends. Unfortunately the bravado that lies within this young man's posts is common among the experienced drinkers/drug takers in the age group. I work in an intensive care unit near our big state u. and pay primary witness to the all to frequent aftermath of campus parties. Just two weekends ago, I took care of a young man who was in full arrest when medics were summoned-etoh level was .36, and that was after the 3 or 4 liters of fluid that we blew in him trying to reestablish a blood pressure.</p>
<p>Remarkably, this young man survived the ordeal and was hostile towards the staff after waking up because he did not want to be in the hospital and he just wanted to know who put the tube in his throat that we had just pulled out. No regrets, no remorse....see you next weekend maybe. I will have my 3 kids read the posts from this young gentleman in hopes that they might realize that ..................</p>
<p>BTW, the outcomes for etoh poisoning are not always so miraculous in our unit. And taking care of the kids who come in comatose is not even the hard part of my job........looking their parents and friends in the face with the truth is the challenge.</p>
<p>I never started this thread, what the hell?! that's so weird</p>
<p>NOTE FROM COLLEGEMOM:
YOU POSTED THE FIRST POST ON THIS TOPIC ON ANOTHER THREAD IN THE PARENT CAFE THAT HAD TO DO WITH PARENTS INFORMING OTHER PARENTS. IT WAS AN OLD THREAD YOU PULLED UP AND THEN POSTED ABOUT THIS TRAGEDY TODAY. A DISCUSSION ENSUED ABOUT THE DEATH OF THIS CC POSTER AND BECAME ITS OWN TOPIC AND SO WE SPLIT THAT AND MADE ITS OWN THREAD IN THE PARENT CAFE AND THEN COPIED IT TO THE COLLEGE LIFE FORUM SO THAT STUDENT READERS AND POSTERS COULD READ IT AND/OR POST. YOU DID START THIS TOPIC/DISCUSSION ON ANOTHER THREAD THAT DID NOT HAVE CURRENT POSTS ON IT UNTIL YOU POSTED TODAY. IN ESSENCE WE MOVED THIS NEW TOPIC AND THE CURRENT POSTS ON IT AND CREATED ITS OWN THREAD(S).</p>