<p>"So now we're comparing apples to oranges? State schools to top 15 universities?"</p>
<p>Huh? I don't know why you're bringing fruit into the conversation, but did you check out those transfer threads as I suggested? I see your point. State universities like to accept CC students, who often tend to be weaker than their 4 year university competitors. </p>
<p>Top 15 universities just take who they want. But it would seem that if you take a school like Harvard, which has thousands of applicants in the freshman process that have OUTSTANDING stats, and compare that with the transfer pool, which is a/b 1000 people and includes a wide variety of students from different backgrounds (age/type of school), those applying for freshman admission have a tougher time. They're going up against the cream of the crop - all of the students on these boards that have been working their entire life for that one moment and to get into a school like Harvard. Transfers are usually the ones that couldn't get in originally (and so are moving on up), those that went to a community college, or "non-traditional" students that may have gone into the military or decided later on in life to go back to school. </p>
<p>I guess I can't provide you with hard facts for this since most schools don't list average SAT/GPA of transfers in comparison to freshman, but from what I've seen on CC, it's easier to be admitted <em>stats-wise</em>as a transfer into a school than it is as a freshman.</p>
<p>wow it's been so long since i've been here.</p>
<p>how can you be so sure that the transfer pool is weaker than the freshman pool just by the acceptance rate? true, the admit rate is about 10% greater but that doesn't mean anything. I am a soph. transfer and after conversing with others, it's generally agreed that the transfer process was stressful--much like senior year of high school. Most of us came in with a 4.0 and actually we did do well in high school but made the wrong college decisions in spring. there's a lot of cornell and nyu transfers. i think a couple transferred from MIT. regardless, it is not up to you to establish such generalizations. oh yeah, the transfer acceptance rate for brown was much lower than the freshman admission rate. </p>
<p>"Transfers are usually the ones that couldn't get in originally..." </p>
<p>wow.</p>
<p>anyways, good luck with whatever you're doing. hopefully, you won't be at washu anytime soon. :)</p>
<p>"hopefully, you won't be at washu anytime soon."</p>
<p>How civil of you.</p>
<p>I don't think you really understood my post. I said, as someone that has seen a lot of the transfer stats and threads on CC, it would seem that transfer students generally have weaker stats than those accepted for freshman year and are not competing against as strong of a pool. Does that mean all transfer students have weaker stats than freshman apps? Certainly not. Nor does it mean that the transfer pool is always weaker than the freshman pool was, but perhaps you should take a look around on CC and read some transfer threads (which I am using to base my assumption on) instead of just saying that I'm wrong.</p>
<p>Perhaps that's not how it has been overall at WashU (as you're a transfer so you'd obviously have a better idea), but the CC boards help generate the idea that freshman apps to WashU and other top universities have a harder time getting in.</p>
<p>BTW, it's merely a statement. There's no need for you to make rude comments in return, but seeing as this is your first post, I'm sure you'll fit in nicely here at CC with all the arguers.</p>