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It's the Chinese civilians that are most vocal about the issue of this thread. The government, aware of its dependence on Japanese aid, had long been very quiet.

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<p>I disgree. If anything, the government had been fueling the anti-Japanese sentiment this summer, where consumers boycotted all Japanese cell phones and eletric goods. It was also the government that rejected Japanese war reparations, out of Mao's isolationist pride. The government has a good reason to direct civilians towards hating the Japanese - it makes them scrutinize less on the corruption and vulnerabilities inside the Communist Party. The government is very courteous on the surface, but this summer I believe they blew off a meeting with Koizumi, presumably over the shrine business.</p>

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Imagine its the US/UK, not China, that holds large oil concession in Sudan, are you so sure US/UK wouldn't do what China did to protect their oil interest?

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<p>And it would be equally wrong if they did it. I don't excuse inaction from anyone. I think that the US is 100% wrong for supporting the Al Saud family. Saudi Arabia's government should be wiped off the face of the planet. You don't see me throwing rocks at embassies though.</p>

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It's the Chinese civilians that are most vocal about the issue of this thread.

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<p>Yet the politicians egg them on all the time. I once did a regression between two variables: Chinese political scandals/economic problems and Chinese protests of Japanese everything. Guess what? They're positively correlated. Now look, I know that it may not be causative, but we all know that Korean politicians are known to use the Japanese boogeyman to get votes. I don't see the CCP as much different. </p>

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The Chinese civilians don't need your sympathy but I want to remind you most civilians know nothing about the oil deal and what their government does most of the time. I have problem with the Japanese government/right-wing politicians/military in WWII, not average Japanese, except those that support ring-wing agenda.

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<p>I once had a TA as an undergrad from Beida who commented that Chinese civilians know a lot more than the West gives them credit for. I don't buy, for one second, that the Chinese were completely in the dark. </p>

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I have problem with the Japanese government/right-wing politicians/military in WWII, not average Japanese, except those that support ring-wing agenda.

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<p>So do I. But you don't see me throwing rocks at embassies. Look, like purrli said, we don't need more idiotic violence. The kind of vehemence that I sense out of you and jrcho is exactly what I think will cause the Japanese to get even more reluctant to be more open to change.</p>

<p>You can't get a mouse out of its hole by scaring it. You need to use bait. </p>

<p>As far as digressing goes... you find this discussion worse? You want to go back to attacking those dastardly Japs instead? At least we're getting somewhere now, and we're putting the problem in proper scope.</p>

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<p>blythe,</p>

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but you sure do act like you are numero uno.

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<p>I know what I want and I go for it. That's what being a pirate is all about. </p>

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Ok, go ahead and quote me...I know it's what you love.

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<p>I only use quotes to keep track of my thoughts. But I do rather like the tags, they're really pretty.</p>

<p>:-P</p>

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My grandfather fought in WWII, and has hated the Japanese ever since. I love him to death and I wish that he could learn to accept Japanese people more...but I understand why he thinks this way. Almost all of my friends are Japanese, and I am not racist towards Asians at all.

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<p>I had one cousin fight in the Pacific, two in the Atlantic. One died at D-Day. I still don't hate the Germans. The cousin who fought in the Pacific was at Guadalcanal, and he once said, "I could go on my whole life hating the Japanese. After all, they shot at me, killed my buddies, threatened everything I held dear. But why? Why hate them for exactly what we did to them? Kill. In the end, I'm glad that the Japanese and the Americans have come to be such close allies, because it means that one less generation will go through what I did."</p>

<p>And if you call that platitudinous, fine. I think it's beautiful.</p>

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but you sound like an arrogant jack ass that considers himself above the rest of us...especially on topics involving Japan, because you live there.

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<p>I'm only better than you because: I'm a pirate, I pay my own bills, I have a college degree, and yeah, I happen to know more about Japan. Sue me. But thanks for agreeing with me where you did. :)</p>

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but someone had to tell this guy to shut up.

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<p>That's sweet of you. Kisses.</p>

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<p>I think you missed the point of my post through all of my hateful comments. </p>

<p>Great...You, your family, your friends, your neighbors..everyone you know has had people of a different race try and rip your life apart...but not everyone is as great and forgiving as you, but you need to learn to respect that. </p>

<p>Too bad you didn't learn that through all of the bill paying, college attending, and pirating.</p>

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but not everyone is as great and forgiving as you, but you need to learn to respect that.

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<p>I need to learn to respect the continued propogation of hate? Sorry buddy, but no. I refuse. That's just enabling a future disaster somewhere else.</p>

<p>We aren't getting anywhere by not burying hatchets. We're only hanging onto old hatchets. And old hatchets may be rusty, but they can still hurt. A lot.</p>

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<p>Okay, now you are just being ignorant. </p>

<p>Picture this: You are raised in a family where blonde hair and blue eyes are the only features acceptable. You have pale skin, just like all of your friends and family. Your parents tell you that those "damn Japs" are a disgrace. Then you go to war and those "damn Japs" kill all of your friends and leave you emotionally and physically scarred for life. </p>

<p>It is a lot harder for some people to forgive then others. It isn't because you are better, or that anyone who can't let go of this biased is worse...it is that they were raised much differently than you or I. You need to learn to understand why some people just can't let go of the past. </p>

<p>Trust me, I WISH with all of my heart that my grandfather could look at my best friend as an equal, but I know that no matter how polite he is to her, he will be thinking of what her grandparents might have done to his friends. </p>

<p>Forgiveness is always that simple. Sorry.</p>

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<p>So what, we should accept hate?</p>

<p>Sorry, but life is way too short to live that way. Sadly, but people like your grandfather are the reason that Israel and the Palestinians still fight to this day, why Northern Irish fight to this day, and why the Hutu and the Tutsis fight to this day.</p>

<p>Forgiveness isn't simple, but it's necessary. Simply accepting hate is part of the problem.</p>

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<p>Okay...maybe you don't understand long posts.</p>

<p>Don't accept hate, but try to understand the reason for it before you pass judgement. </p>

<p>For someone as smart as you claim to be, you come off as a real idiot.</p>

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For someone as smart as you claim to be, you come off as a real idiot.

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<p>Sticks and stones, kid, sticks and stones.</p>

<p>Understanding hate is like understanding bad drivers. In the end, you only end up with someone getting hurt or killed.</p>

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<p>Blythe, I know what you're trying to say--that it's harder for those with firsthand experience and lifelong scars to forgive. But for the most part you're just attacking UCLAri's supposed complacence and/or arrogance, and that's not necessary at all.</p>

<p>Anyway, I myself am an extremist here and believe even the tortured, as hard as it may be, must forgive. Dormant hatred leads to violence, and violence repeats itself. If we want to progress, we need to release the hatred. I truly admire the soldiers who can do this.</p>

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<p>How am I complacent? How am I arrogant?</p>

<p>You kids really need to back up your grandiose claims with examples.</p>

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that it's harder for those with firsthard experience and lifelong scars to forgive.

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<p>Y'know, it's funny how it's just ASSumed that I haven't had any wrongs committed against me. </p>

<p>Simply amazing.</p>

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<p>Okay, UCLAri, I edited.</p>

<p>"Y'know, it's funny how it's just ASSumed that I haven't had any wrongs committed against me."</p>

<p>So tell me, when did I assume this?</p>

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<p>Knavish,</p>

<p>Now it makes sense. Sorry. I thought you were another one of the "let's make UCLAri into the boogeyman crew." Bah.</p>

<p>Oh well.</p>

<p>And it's more directed at the others than you Knavish. Sorry again.</p>

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<p>It's fine. :)</p>

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<p>what happened to replying to my post</p>

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<p>You're an idiot...what else is there to say.</p>

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<p>Err...which one? Lots has happened in the interim.</p>

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<p>That was intended for a comment on the first page of this forum.</p>

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<p>nvm.....,..,,.,</p>