<p>I understand the other 2 portions are your average SAT I (CR + M) on a scale 20-80 and average SAT II's any three on a scale 20-80</p>
<p>one final question - can someone break down exactly what AI you need for the different schools (preferably a range assuming the athlete would not be the best athlete in the league or the worst either just middle 50% or something)? I have heard different things and would be curious to hear if anyone knows anything about this subject.</p>
<p>All replies are appreciated.
Thanks in advance.</p>
<p>We tried to figure this out this fall. As I recall, the CC calculator is pretty good. My gut feeling from many conversations with Ivy and other coaches was that a 200 or above was a good score and would satisfy most admissions officers about your academic ability.</p>
<p>Hopefully, others will weigh in. I haven't seen a full discussion of this on CC.</p>
<p>171 = minimum for athletics I read not that it is a typical score and not for a regular student. You have to assume the guy with the 171 is a high caliber athlete and possibly also a minority.</p>
<p>high caliber athletes in the ivy league do not tend to be minorities. for example, 99 percent of the ivy league lacrosse teams, some of the top in the country, are composed of white males from affluent neighborhoods.</p>
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beefs is correct. i saw a harvard vs. princeton basketball game recently and all of the starting players on both teams were white with the exception of one Asian on the harvard team.</p>
<p>was just making a point...but i've seen Princeton basketball and football and in the past they have had blacks, but i was just making a point...anyway...anymore input on AI needed / avg</p>
<p>needhelp, you can contact the coaches of the programs you are interested in and get this question answered very quickly. You don't need to calculate your AI, just have your other numbers ready (SAT I and II, class rank and size, GPA). Recruited athletes are asked for this information in the very first conversation. A succinct email with your athletic accomplishments, contact information for your current coach, and academic stats will allow for a quick check of whether you are a match. Best wishes!</p>
<p>By the way, you are out of line making assumptions about race and AI. Post #5 is offensive, unless I am misreading your intent.</p>
<p>Needhelpfast, there's been posts about this here on CC in the past - you could try the search function. As best I recall, there's a "benchmark" for each college, and a limit on how many athletes can be recruited below that benchmark - basically one or two who are pretty far below it, a few more who are closer to it, and as many as they want at or above the line. (That's an oversimplification.) So a superstar may get offers even if he or she is close to the 171 minimum, if the coaches want to use up their quota on that athlete; the closer to the benchmark you are the more attractive you are as a recruit at any level of athletic talent. I think that the average AI for all recruited athletes is supposed to be no lower than about 200 or so for most Ivy League schools. If you're below that, you can compensate with athletic talent if you are the one they want at your position, or whatever.</p>
<p>If you are a junior, contact the coaches early, like now, and let them know you are interested. I found that some are really honest and will let you know where you stand and if they can help you. However, some seem to just string kids along and make promises that they can't keep. I know several kids who were "promised" admission by coaches, but didn't get in. I was lucky and ended up a a place where the coaches were great and honest (and still told me that it was tough to get in, even with their advocacy, they would not say that I was in, the decision is ultimately in the hands of the adcom, not the coaches. Of course, I'm not talking about D1 schools here....)</p>
<p>If you are a senior and have not contacted or been contacted by a coach, I think your chances are really slim to have sports help your application at this point. Recruits are usually done ed, and if not then, then by early Jan....</p>
<p>A lot of Ivy recruits don't even have many of the components for the AI.
Many of the prep schools don't calculate GPAs or rank. Unless you are talking about a major (usually helmet) sport, most coaches can give you a good idea based on your SATs and general grades.</p>
<p>thanks all for the replies got i got a general idea of the process.. basically I didn't think it was a possibility to play in the Ivy League (for academic reasons) until just this week and I wanted to gather some information before I pursue it (or don't lol). </p>
<p>btw at the school I am targeting i'm a legacy and all that nonsense so I'm getting letters of rec. from some alumni so hopefully that will put me over the edge...if it doesn't I guess its my fault for just getting interested in February of my senior year lol</p>
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<p>I agree with k&s to an extent. I think they have a different standard than mainstream sports such as football/basketball/baseball but they should still count as sports I'm not trying to say that.</p>
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<p>At most of the ivies,the overwhelming majority of the players on the football and basketball teams consist of affluent white males. If you combine all sports; hockey, lax, crew, waterpolo, baseball, skiing, etc you will find that most of the athletes are white.. </p>
<p>Most blacks who are looking to get recruited for football and basketball are most likely to play for a school that has a good track record of winning bowl games or getting invited to the big dance for march madness and with the exception of top tier schools like Duke bball and Stanford football, it rarely happens at the ivies.</p>
<p>As I have posted elsewhere, my D has committed to an ivy as a junior. yes, we fully understand that admissions must still admit but coaches certainly have standards as to what academic package must be. Coaches knew my D was a good student but told her straight out what scores she needed on SAT to be qualified. After she achieved those scores, then assistant coach tasked with interacting with admissions, reviewed her transcript. Only after that, did head coach offer her a place on his recruitment list. And that list starts to fill very early. I expect recruiting for 2013 to be done by this spring.</p>
<p>D needs to maintain her high academic standard. Will be nervous until likely letter in the fall but she loves school and coach. hope it all works(should note that we know coaches from their outside involvement with her club so we have a pretty good level of trust)</p>
<p>"basically how do the calculate the gpa/class rank portion onto the scale of 20-80? Is the Academic Index Calculator on CC accurate at all? (I tend to think not since it was made in 2002 lol)"</p>
<p>I think the CC calculator is close but not exactly right. In "Playing the Game: Inside Athletic Recruiting in the Ivy League" (published 2004) author Chris Lincoln breaks down the AI.</p>
<p>In a nutshell, 240 points are possible, 160 from test scores and 80 from GPA or class rank. The test score portion is calculated by taking the best two SAT I and SAT II scores (must be from differest subjects, so apparently you couldn't use SAT I math and SAT II math 2, for example), adding them together, and dropping the last zero.</p>
<p>The GPA/class rank portion of the score is a bit trickier. Lincoln doesn't publish a table, but he provides some anecdotal examples:</p>
<p>Nightsky,
Just curious. Why would daughter commit as a junior? Alot can change in a year including possibility of injury/coaching shift/etc. I'm surprised to hear of an Ivy coach making such a promise that early. What sport is it if you don't mind me asking. I would keep my options open at least until July 1st of sumer before senior year.</p>