<p>Does anyone know what the acceptance rate is at Wharton? I am aware that the rate for PENN was around 12% this year, but I was wondering if they have specifics as to the different schools. Good luck to all!</p>
<p>Penn typically doesn’t release admissions data by school, but according to Business Week, the acceptance rate for Wharton’s Class of 2015 was 10% (and the overall acceptance rate for Penn was the same as this year’s rate of 12%). So, it’s a pretty safe assumption that the overall admit rate (ED + RD) for Wharton this year was again around 10%.</p>
<p>In the past, the acceptance rate for Wharton has been a bit lower than the overall acceptance rate, the rate for the College has been about the same as the overall rate, the rate for SEAS has been a bit higher than the overall rate, and the rate for Nursing has been a bit higher that that for SEAS.</p>
<p>Wharton has a class size of about 550 and roughly 31000 people applied to Penn. So if you divided to the two you will get about 1 percent. This may not be entirely accurate so you may want to double check.</p>
<p>^ That’s not accurate at all. According to Business Week (and they presumably got this info directly from Wharton/Penn), there were 5,421 applicants to Wharton Undergrad last year:</p>
<p>[University</a> Of Pennsylvania: Undergraduate Profile - BusinessWeek](<a href=“Bloomberg - Are you a robot?”>Bloomberg - Are you a robot?)</p>
<p>That may not be precisely accurate, but it’s certainly a lot closer to the real number than 31,000. Keep in mind that the vast majority of Penn applicants apply to the College of Arts and Sciences, which has an entering class of about 1600, and that several thousand other applicants apply to SEAS and Nursing.</p>
<p>i think that Wharton has a yield of let’s say, 75%</p>
<p>Entering classes are around 530, so 530/.75= 707</p>
<p>Last year, according to BusinessWeek, about 5400 applied to wharton; let’s say 5500 b/c apps stayed same this year</p>
<p>707/5500=.1285</p>
<p>Therefore, i surmise that 12.85% of Wharton applicants gain admittance</p>
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<p>Wharton’s acceptance rate is higher than the overall university’s? Yeah, right.</p>
<p>Wharton has many dual degree programs, and these students, while part of Wharton, are entered into a different application pool altogether. They’re looking at acceptance rates on par or lower than some of HYPS.</p>
<p>okay then, lets say 35 LSM, 45 Huntsman, and 20 nursing</p>
<p>550-35-45-20= 450 STANDALONE Whartonites</p>
<p>450/.75=600</p>
<p>534/5500=10.9%</p>
<p>Close to what BusinessWeek said I guess, 11%</p>
<p>First of all, Businessweek’s numbers have absolutely 0 credence, as the Wharton school withdrew all information from them and refuses to cooperate because they get things so wrong. </p>
<p>Think rationally, why would business week be the ONLY new outlet with this information ? How come they alone have access to this data, when Penn withdrew co-operation from them along with HBS ? Their figures are a load of crap. </p>
<p>I personally feel Wharton should reveal its numbers separately, and if you talk to administrators they will tell you that the acceptance rate has hovers between 5 and 7%, some years being stronger than others, but lets look at this mathematically shall we.</p>
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<li>There are a lot more than 5500 applicants to Wharton, pure and simple. We know that Wharton gets a disproportionate share of Penn’s applications due to the strength of the program, but EVEN assuming an even proportion of Wharton kids applying (550/2400)*(31000) you get over 7000 kids applying. Clearly the real figure is to the north of that. If i remember correctly, on my readmit day they mentioned receiving 9000 applications.</li>
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<p>But let’s try to do this as scientifically as we can.</p>
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<li>You overstated the number of pure Wharton kids. There are 50 Huntsman Kids, 50 M&T, 35 LSM, and 40-50 (i’ll use 40 in my calculations) or so from a medley of other very competitive dual degree programs such as the ones with the nursing and communication schools. </li>
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<p>That gives us: 550-170= 380 pure Wharton kids.</p>
<p>We know Wharton has a yield rate of 80% (only Harvard comes close with 78%, this is double digits above Y and P, admit rates alone don’t tell the whole story of selectivity - Wharton students are very self selective) so applying that to the pure Wharton number gives us 475 pure Wharton acceptances. Applying the pure Wharton number to the ratio above (380/2400*31000) gives us 4908 pure Wharton applicants. But note that this is significantly lower than the real number as the dual degree programs are highly self-selective (hence their incredibly high yield - well over HYP) so you are not getting 3000 applications for 170 spots as these calculations suggest. More importantly, Wharton is the most desirable school and the most internationally known (but not as impossible to get into as the dual degree programs) so Wharton draws more applications proportionally than the college, the nursing school, and the engineering school. But EVEN assuming that we distribute that evenly, dividing the pure Wharton applicants by the number of pure Wharton applications gives us (475/4900)= 9.6% an acceptance rate of 9.6%, under the 10% mark despite all of these assumptions of proportionality that we know are false. (This is how I think business week derived its figure which is also ~10% because they DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE ACTUAL DATA, so they assume proportionality which yields vastly inaccurate data. </p>
<p>Move the figures to a slightly more likely scenario with Wharton receiving a slightly disproportionate number of applications, say 4000 more than we would expect, (after all, not many people would apply to the nursing school and the engineering school proportionally, so this is a reasonable assumption. Wharton also would draw more applications than the college proportionally) and you have 475 / 8900 (which is what I vaguely remember hearing - 9000 applications, during my revisit day - the session was held for pure Wharton kids, the dual degree kids had their own session where their own fso this number refers to pure Wharton), do all that and you arrive at an acceptance rate of 475/8900 = ~ 5.3 %, precisely what the Wharton officials told us.</p>
<p>And all this with only a third of Penn application being directed at Wharton. (including another thousand applications for the dual degree programs, who have very high yields, but not necessarily low acceptance rates because the applicants are so self-selective. Admit rates do not tell you the whole story when it comes to selectivity. Which is why HBS has a higher admit rate than Dartmouth, but also a higher yield. It’s precisely the same concept.</p>
<p>Addendum:</p>
<p>I’ve went and got all the actual number to work off of from the Penn site so we can run a few simulations. Turns out Wharton is even MORE selective than my previous calculations indicated as there are 496 Whartonites (including dual degree candidates) per class NOT 550. Here is my source material:</p>
<p>[Penn:</a> Penn Facts](<a href=“http://www.upenn.edu/about/facts.php]Penn:”>http://www.upenn.edu/about/facts.php)</p>
<p>The College at Penn (School of Arts and Sciences), 6,304 = 1576 per class
School of Engineering and Applied Science, 1,641 = 410 per class
School of Nursing, 556 = 139 per class
The Wharton School, 1,986 = 496 per class (and remember this is overstated due to the influx of transfer students into Wharton, both internally and externally, but we’ll ignore that) </p>
<p>Now using even more conservative figures for the dual degree candidates we get 50 M&T, 50 Huntsman 35 LSM and lets say 30 others including the nursing program (which I know is lower by at least 10, but whatever), Wharton is the home school for all these programs. </p>
<p>That gives us: 500 - 50 + 50 + 35 + 30 = 335 pure Whartonites.<br>
At Wharton’s yield of 80% we get:
335 / .8 = 418 applicants. </p>
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<li><p>Assuming we received 9000 pure Wharton applicants based on the information I received from administrators above, that would give us an acceptance rate of ~4.6%. I have heard the 5% figure bandied about. </p></li>
<li><p>Using business weeks figure of 5200, which, as I stated before they likely got from just using proportional distribution which is inaccurate, you get an acceptance rate of 10% </p></li>
<li><p>Using direct proportionality for pure Whartonites, you get 418/(418/2400*31000) = 418 / 5399 = 7.7% </p></li>
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<p>Now lets see what the acceptance rates of the other schools would be under these 3 scenarios (I have applied the overall yield of 64% to all other schools):</p>
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<li>W 496 N 139 E 410 C 1576</li>
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<p>N 217/(139/1900*21000)= 14 % (which, as I expected, is ridiculously low, they simply do not get as many applications as that, they are probably distributed between the college and Wharton as administrators informally say the real acceptance rate is 20%)</p>
<p>E 640/(410/1900*21000) = ~14 % (lower than the actual number. This portion would suggest they receive 5000 applications)</p>
<p>C 2462/(1576/1900*21000) = ~14 % (probably higher than the actual number as this would give Wharton an acceptance rate of less than 5%, when it is around 5%, so this would probably be 13 or even 12% when we account for the nursing and engineering school. </p>
<p>2, W: 8%, Non Wharton: (3750-418)/25800 = 12.9 % (The actual rate for the college, but this overstates the nursing school massively, and the engineering school somewhat, suggesting that the Wharton rate and the college rate should be lower than 8%. </p>
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<li>W. 7.7% Non- Wharton: (3750-418)/25600 = 13 % flat.</li>
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<p>NOTE, I’m tired and will check my math in the morning.</p>
<p>^ Franz, Jr. (or Little Franz, as we affectionately call you :)), here are a few more real data points for your analysis, in case this changes things:</p>
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<li>For the Class of 2014, Nursing’s acceptance rate was 20%:</li>
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<p>[The</a> Daily Pennsylvanian :: Nursing School admits 20 percent for 2014](<a href=“http://thedp.com/index.php/article/2010/02/nursing_school_admits_20_percent_for_2014]The”>Nursing School admits 20 percent for 2014 | The Daily Pennsylvanian)</p>
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<li>Also for the Class of 2014, SEAS had 4,791 applicants, of which 811 (or 16.9%) were accepted:</li>
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<p>[Penn</a> Engineering - Fast Facts](<a href=“Marketing and Communications |”>About)</p>
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<li>The overall acceptance rate for the Class of 2014 was 14.3%, out of about 27,000 total applicants:</li>
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<p>[Penn</a> Admissions: Incoming Class Profile for Class of 2014](<a href=“http://web.archive.org/web/20110610033338/http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/profile/]Penn”>Penn Admissions: Incoming Class Profile)</p>
<p>If you assume that the number of applicants to each of the 4 schools is now 15% larger than it was for the Class of 2014 (i.e., same percentage increase across the board), and that the acceptance rate for the College is the same as the overall acceptance rate (I’ve heard and read for several years now that it’s usually pretty close), how would that affect your analysis?</p>
<p>Ha, i actually wrote up a whole new analysis because realized i made some wrong calculations, ha but i am too tired now to retype the whole thing up - the computer deleted it before it was posted, hate when that happens. Funny thing is, the admit rates for the different colleges once I isolated them were almost spot on so I think it’s accurate. Let me just double check my figures and i’ll make a post tomorrow with the updated figures.</p>
<p>How many on average kids are there in nursing?</p>
<p>^ About 500-550 total, or about 125 or so in each entering class.</p>
<p>Just a note for your calculations: According to the M&T handbook, SEAS is the “home school” for M&T students.
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<p>So i’ve made an extensive model and back checked it with available data (to my delight, it predicted the individual college acceptance rates accurately). Its a very very extensive program so I won’t even bother explaining how it works, but you can check out the excel file and figure it out for yourself. </p>
<p>But based on the data, the current Wharton acceptance rate falls in between 7 and 8 % (closer to 8 than 7). Though because of the small sample size, differences in the data could **** the acceptance rate somewhat substantially, so that’s why i’ve given a range. </p>
<p><a href=“https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlIDHuxNNOqjdE52N1BkSEk3d2U2UDJ0T3F2WG9OUXc[/url]”>Wharton Acceptance - Google Sheets;
<p>Question. Can you apply to BOTH Wharton and regular UPenn? Does that mean you have to apply to both seperately with 2 application fees?</p>
<p>No you cannot, choose one.</p>
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<p>Technically you can’t, but for most (all?) dual-degree programs, you are asked for a second choice college if you aren’t accepted into the program. So, a Huntsman applicant could apply to Huntsman, get rejected, and be put into the SAS pool. That said, Huntsman’s more competitive than regular Wharton (which is brutal to begin with).</p>
<p>yes, you can.
My daughter applied both Wharton and CAS with Wharton as her first choice.</p>
<p>^not possible. She must have applied to Huntsman and put Wharton as back-up.</p>