<p>@iLoveSD</p>
<p>I don’t really care to ask “ANYBODY” because I’ve found out quite frequently that “ANYBODY” tends to be very uniformed and just tends to say things because other uninformed people tell them those things. I’m not saying everybody on here is uniformed, I just wonder where so many people get this inside knowledge of how different universities work in relationship to each other.</p>
<p>no one needs to know how these universities work. you don’t know how they work, and “anybody” probably doesn’t know either. but the fact of the matter is, if you are going to include sd into the same tier as la and berk and draw the line there, why are you drawing the line there? like in the link above, berk and la are the #1 and 2 public universities respectively, while sd is 7 and sb/davis are 11. why are you drawing the line after sd? just because you go to sd and want to be in the same group as berk and la? sorry, but davis and sb can make a strong case just like the way you are about how they are in the 1st tier as well.</p>
<p>what i go by is reputation. berkeley and la have it, sd doesn’t. sd is 2nd tier, probably all alone. sb/davis are 3rd tier. the other uc’s are in 4th/5th tier. get over it.</p>
<p>I’d honestly expect someone on here to make some better arguments, but saying “you can make that same argument” or something with SB and D being in the first tier just because they’re “not far” from UCSD is flawed. UCSD is about 5 spots back from UCLA from the rankings you posted. “D and SB” are 11, which is 9 spots back from UCLA. So don’t get at me saying that 5=11. I haven’t heard such an absurdly flawed attempt at an argument in a while. And exactly who do you think gives these reputations? Ask anyone on the street and of course they’ll know B and LA. Ask the the companies that hire (the ones whose opinions actually matter) and they’ll know what UCSD is, and that it isn’t that far from UCLA. They’re NOT going to say the same about SB and D (no offense) being not far from UCLA. You say you go off reputation, which is less clear cut, and yet you bring up rankings, which are pretty concrete. Poor and false argument you have there. Get over it.</p>
<p>It is, in my opinion, silly to consider UCB better than UCLA, or UCLA better than UCSD because, in the end, it comes down to subject matter. If you are considering business, sure, Berkeley is number one. If you are talking about biological research, UCSD trumps UCLA and Berk. And so on, and so on. The schools are very good at particular subjects, not so good in others. That is true across the board.</p>
<p>Overall rankings stop meaning anything once you get to the level of academics that UCSD, UCB and UCLA are at. So stop whining and crying about it.</p>
<p>Coming from a person accepted into all 3 schools and choosing SD. It is NOT all about “prestige”, guys.</p>
<p>@spacedog: you have got to be the dumbest person i have ever met</p>
<p>i never said 5=11 you dumb ass. i said that if you are going to include a rank 2 and rank 7 in the same tier, what is wrong with putting a rank 7 and rank 11 in the same tier as well? which would mean sb and davis are in the first tier as well. you are drawing the first tier line at 7 just because sd is rank 7, but who are YOU to decide that that is where you should draw the line? why not at all? why not include sb and davis into the first tier as well? wait, i know why. its because u just can’t accept the fact that sd is worse than la and berkeley and does not deserve to be in the same tier as them.</p>
<p>how about this:</p>
<p>ucsd is the 3rd best uc. its worse than la and berkeley. that’s all you have to know. its worse academically (overall), its worse socially, its worse in terms of girls, its worse athletically. the only thing it has is better location, but that has nothing to do with how good a school is.</p>
<p>@ zippidyduda: you must be a ■■■■■■ if you think it means nothing. you want to compare an sd student to a berkeley student and tell me it means nothing academically? you want to compare how well each are viewed?</p>
<p>oh, once you get to the level of sd, la, and berkeley, overal rankings doesn’t mean anything so lets just put sd, la, and bekreley in the same rankings as stanford and princeton.</p>
<p>god, the ignorance and the sd-homerness here is outrageous. just get over it. we are inferior, but that inferiority isn’t necessarily a bad thing because sd is a great school either way. just learn to accept it</p>
<p>^I’m really embarrassed to say you go to my school :(</p>
<p>and that really really hurts me, deep inside my heart, like really</p>
<p>NOT</p>
<p>you are embarrassed because an sd student is not afraid to tell it like it is</p>
<p>“oh hi i’m from sd i think we are as good as la and berkeley and deserve to be in the same tier as them, cuz we’re so cool”</p>
<p>la and berkeley students: “uh no, you guys are inferior to us”</p>
<p>sb and davis students: “HEY, if sd is almost on the same level as la and berkeley, and we’re almost on the same level as sd, then that must mean we get to be included in the 1st tier with sd, la, and berkeley as well!!”</p>
<p>wow… iLoveSD… i’m pretty sure UCLA and UC Berkeley students will not flat out say that UCSD is inferior… because like someone said earlier, UCSD is better in some respects. </p>
<p>okk okk enough with tiers… =/</p>
<ol>
<li>Is UCSD only really good for pre-med/engineering/biology/chemistry (or things along that vein?). I know that is one of the best universities for that type of thing, but my intention is to go for a double major of Economics and English Lit, but if UCSD treats it as a second fiddle, I don’t know how if i would still consider going.</li>
</ol>
<p>Like many people posted before me, I do not think UCSD treats Economics as a second fiddle. I would check out this thread: <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-california-san-diego/900117-econ-ucsd.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-california-san-diego/900117-econ-ucsd.html</a>.</p>
<ol>
<li>Is UCSD famous/considered a good school on the west coast? Where I’m from no one has even heard of any UC schools except UCLA and UC Berkely. Selfish as this may sound, I don’t want to be stuck graduating from a school of ill-repute with a crappy major. I’m scared that I might come back to the east coast and get (‘the hell is UC San Diego?’ looks from any employers too<br></li>
</ol>
<p>Many people have heard of UCSD on the west coast. I was talking to my college career center person and she said that UCSD was competitive to get into this year. Congrats on getting into muir and UCSD! =D (i was also accepted into muir this yr!! =) so excited!)</p>
<ol>
<li>I saw in my tome of college guidebook that UCSD students have around 50% graduation rate within 4 years. Whats up with that?</li>
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<p>I saw that too but I’m sure if you work hard and are a full time student, you’ll be able to graduate in 4 yrs… maybe even 3? I’m coming in with many AP credits and will have 56 units. If you’ve taken APs or IB, see page 11 here: <a href=“http://muir.ucsd.edu/students/documents/muir_lnlhndbk09.pdf[/url]”>http://muir.ucsd.edu/students/documents/muir_lnlhndbk09.pdf</a> to see how many units you’ll have.</p>
<ol>
<li>Is finding a job after graduation (in the area) do-able for my major?</li>
</ol>
<p>I’m not sure… sorry XD</p>
<ol>
<li>What is San Diego like? From what I’ve heard La Jolla, is basically an old-folks home, but San Diego is probably where I would be working. Is it anything like Boston or New York City (lol).</li>
</ol>
<p>I visited Monday and I think La Jolla is less fast paced and less peopled than Boston/NYC. I’m not sure about San Diego, though.</p>
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<li>How is UCSD compared to Boston University or NYU?</li>
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<p>Compared to BU, UCSD is probably better… According to US News rankings, UCSD is ranked 35 and BU is ranked 56. NYU is ranked higher than UCSD at rank 32… but it’s not that much higher in rank. </p>
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<li>Would it be possible for me to stay in the on-campus housing during the summer break?</li>
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<p>If you’re taking summer school, I’ve heard that it’s possible but it’s pretty expensive. You could apply for financial aid for summer school though…</p>
<p>Hoped that helped a bit and convinced you to come to UCSD! =D Hope to see you this yr at UCSD! Good luck deciding!</p>
<p>lol i think ilovesd just has some self-confidence issues… Its not about talking to berkeley and la kids and telling them sd is just as good as them. Have some pride in yourself. Being realistic is “Yes, a ivy league graduate is from a better school than someone from ucsd”</p>
<p>And if anything, out of the UC’s, berkeley’s at the top by itself. Just because la is hard/harder to get into doesn’t mean its a better school. Sites like Princeton Review do Academic Rating (or some**** i don’t remember) and Berkeley’s rating far outweighs all other UC’s. And they have LA and SD at similar ratings. And since when the **** does sports have to do with how good of a school it is? Are you a trying to be a ****ing pro player? </p>
<p>And the country doesn’t revolve around California, i’m sure there’s plenty of people in other states who feel that NYU (just because of its reputation/recognition) is a better school than cal/la.</p>
<p>EDIT:
“we are inferior, but that inferiority isn’t necessarily a bad thing because sd is a great school either way. just learn to accept it” LOL fckin hilarious. just go get laid and learn to love yourself for who you are.
seriously, so pretend in a couple years you’re sitting in an office waiting to be interviewed for a job. Next to you is someone else trying to get that same job. He’s from ucla, you’re from ucsd. So are you just gonna be a little ***** and leave because you’re “inferior”? And btw, confidence and arrogance are different. I’m advocating confidence.</p>
<p>"wow… iLoveSD… i’m pretty sure UCLA and UC Berkeley students will not flat out say that UCSD is inferior… because like someone said earlier, UCSD is better in some respects.</p>
<p>okk okk enough with tiers… =/"</p>
<p>Okay, so we’re better in some respects, therefore we must not be inferior?</p>
<p>As a whole, students who get accepted/attend Berkeley and UCLA are SMARTER than those in UCSD. Sure, people who get accepted into all three colleges sometimes choose to UCSD, but there are far more people who actually GO to UCLA and Berkeley. It’s funny when people say “Oh I got accepted into LA and Berkeley but I decided to come here” and think that it serves as some kind of argument or support or something for UCSD. There are people who got accepted into SD, LA, and Berkeley but decided to go to the other UC’s, is this supposed to serve as some kind of evidence or proof that those UC’s are just as good as SD because someone smart went there? Please. </p>
<p>UC Davis and UCSB are better in some aspects than UCSD. I’m using the same argument you are using. Does this mean that UCSD doesn’t think those UC’s are inferior to us? Haha. The fact that you guys are saying UCSD is in the 1st tier with UCLA and Berkeley clearly implies that you think the other UC’s are inferior to UCSD. But hey, those colleges have some aspects better than SD, so your argument fails there.</p>
<p>UCLA and UC Berkeley, as a WHOLE, are a step ahead of SD. Sure, some of the sciences at UCSD can compete or are even better than LA and Berkeley, but I’m talking about our college as a WHOLE.</p>
<p>I don’t get why it is so hard for you guys to just accept it.</p>
<p>Edit: The funny thing about the person who posted right above me is that he thinks I have some kind of self confidence issues. Ad hominem, sir. I chose UCSD over UCLA, so no, I won’t PERSONALLY FEEL inferior to someone who graduated from UCLA if we were fighting for the same job, because I came to UCSD to major in Economics, which is just as strong as in UCLA. </p>
<p>But, if you are sitting there with the same major and same GPA as someone who graduated from Stanford, would feel less about your chances? I would, and you would be a dumb ass if you say you wouldn’t. No, I wouldn’t leave.</p>
<p>lol i’m not arguing about schools like stanford. I’m saying i think the way some people in this thread have their tiers ranked is flawed. In my opinion, cal is 1st and rest is arguable (to a sense, like i dont think ucsc>la -_-) Cal and Stanford are CLEARLY on different level than SD but i’m saying LA isn’t necessarily that clearly above sd. And yeah i would feel lesser about my chances, but it wouldn’t be to the extent that i’m thinking i’m inferior. Just like if a minority who overcame cancer and lost both his parents at birth but managed to graduate with the same gpa/degree, i would feel that my chances are less, but not that i’m inferior. And your argument is primarily based on reputation. Reputation does not define the quality of the school.</p>
<p>It’s not just reputation, obviously. But reputation goes a LONG way. Honestly, how would you respond if one person came up to you and said he graduated from Berkeley, while another came up to you and said he graduated from UCSD? I think the answer is clear.</p>
<p>Yes, Cal is definitely on another level from all the other UC’s. But like I said earlier, maybe there shouldn’t be tiers, but rather just a ranking of the UC’s because tiers among UC’s are very hard to draw lines between.</p>
<ol>
<li>Berkeley</li>
<li>UCLA</li>
<li>UCSD</li>
<li>SB/Davis</li>
<li>UCI</li>
<li>UCSC</li>
<li>UCR</li>
</ol>
<p>“Yes, Cal is definitely on another level from all the other UC’s. But like I said earlier, maybe there shouldn’t be tiers, but rather just a ranking of the UC’s because tiers among UC’s are very hard to draw lines between.”
Agreed.</p>
<p>And once again, i’m agreeing with you about cal, my argument is just about la being viewed similarly as cal</p>
<p>@iLoveSD I’m a ■■■■■■? Hardly.</p>
<p>I personally could not care less if the average Joe walking down the street is more familiar with LA or Berk than SD, because as far as employers are concerned, they would rather hire an SD grad than an LA or Berk grad (in the field I am entering, not all fields, of course).</p>
<p>SD is the SUPERIOR school in my subject matter. Not competetive. Not inferior. I don’t care about other rankings because, frankly, they don’t matter as much to me. If they did, I’d be going to UCB right now.</p>
<p>I’m not saying that SD is as good as or better than LA and B in many subjects. It isn’t. But in the field that SD focuses in (biological research and engineering), they blow nearly every other school out of the water.</p>
<p>That’s my point. I’m not saying you are wrong, I’m just a bit indignant at this point.</p>
<p>And anyway, the whole concept of tiers is idiotic.</p>
<p>@iLoveSD</p>
<p>I never put UCSD in a tier. I specifically said “it doesn’t matter what tier UCSD is”. I was saying that you can get an comparatively good education at UCSD as compared to Berkeley and UCLA and you’re right, probably at Davis and Santa Barbara too. And I don’t agree with your statement on reputation. It doesn’t matter what people think about where you went. If I went to somebody and said I went to Johns Hopkins the majority of people would say “where the **** is that?”. That doesn’t mean the school is any less good. Also, there’s people who get accepted to Berkeley and UCLA who get rejected from UCSD. Are we “inferior” to them too?</p>
<p>Yes, tiers are stupid. Done and done.</p>
<p>@iLoveSD: Were you ranking the top 10 UC’s? If not, you forgot Merced.</p>
<p>It doesnt matter what tier UCSD or any other school falls under. WHO CARES!? We go to a great UC or have been admitted to a great UC and thats all that matters.</p>
<p>So why dont we leave the college rankings to the professionals at USANews? Sound good everyone?</p>
<p>“UCLA and UC Berkeley, as a WHOLE, are a step ahead of SD. Sure, some of the sciences at UCSD can compete or are even better than LA and Berkeley, but I’m talking about our college as a WHOLE.”</p>
<p>Well, frankly speaking, that’s because Cal and LA have been around longer than SD, by about 90 years and 40 years, respectively. It takes time to build such a reputation. The fact that SD has been able to achieve so much in the last 50 years itself is an accomplishment for the school. It is also the second youngest school in the T50, right after UCI. The UC system is just an amazing institute, with 8/9 schools in the T100, but unfortunately, budgets cuts are screwing over students and the schools.</p>
<p>@ Zippidyduda:</p>
<p>What the eff does it look like I am trying to argue? Did you not see that I said that as a WHOLE, UCLA and UC Berkeley are BETTER than UCSD, and that is a FACT. In MY FIELD as well, UCSD just as good as UCLA, which is why I decided to come here instead of UCLA, in addition to more financial aid. If you are going to come here arguing with me about how good a college is, at least stick to the effing topic, instead of arguing that UCSD is as good as UCLA and Berkeley, then backing out later and saying “oh for my field, UCSD is better.” I never argued that UCLA and Berkeley are better than UCSD in every single academic field, but rather that as a whole, they are better. Holy ****.</p>
<p>@$KingsElite$:</p>
<p>I bet you that for every person who gets rejected from UCSD but gets into UCLA and UC Berkeley, there are 50 people who get into UCSD but get rejected from UC Berkeley and UCLA. Sure, there are a few exceptions of people who get into SD but not LA and Berkeley, but the opposite is FAR more frequent. There are people who get rejected from UCLA but got into Cornell. Again, this means *<strong><em>. So stop trying to bring this *</em></strong> up.</p>
<p>@ Vertex:
I was just ranking the UC’s and I got tired and simply left out Merced.</p>
<p>@iLoveSD So you aren’t a great debater, eh? Sorry to hear that. I never backed out of ANY argument, I never compromised my views, and I’m truly sorry that you lack the reading comprehension skills necessary to see that.</p>