Accepted RD for 2010

<p>*Decision: Accepted *</p>

<p>Stats:[ul]
[<em>] SAT: 700M, 680V, 760W
[</em>] SAT IIs: 630 BioM, 700 Lit, 780 Math IIC
[<em>] GPA: 3.98 UW
[</em>] Rank: 31/393
[<em>] Other stats:
AP's: Euro, Calc AB, Chem, Lang, US Hist, Calc BC, Govt, Lit, Stat
Community college courses: Music, Bio, Chem, Philosophy, Comp Sci
Other courses: Stanford EPGY, 6 years foreign language (3 Japanese, 3 Latin)
[/ul]Subjective:[ul]
[</em>] Essays: show passion, work ethic, and resilience
[<em>] Teacher Recs: show leadership and compassion
[</em>] Counselor Rec: strongest transcript despite rank, disadvantaged bg
[<em>] Hook (if any): first generation?
[/ul]Location/Person:[ul]
[</em>] State or Country: WA
[<em>] School Type: Public, Urban
[</em>] Ethnicity: Chinese
[<em>] Gender: Female
[/ul]Other Factors:[ul]
[</em>] Extracurriculars: physics club vice-president, math team, junior classical league, youth and government, varsity golf, swim, science center exhibit assistant, hospital escort, children's hospital therapy pool helper, youth volunteer corps advisory board member, involved in forest restoration and homelessness projects, 5hrs/wk as lab intern building low-cost spec, 5hrs/wk as reading tutor, also helping run tutoring program for underperforming youth, summer programs: UW Summer Stretch Math & Chemistry, MIT Minority Introduction to Engineering and Science <3, UW Engineered Biomaterials research
[<em>] Why I think I was accepted:
[</em>] Other thoughts: How generous is HMC when it comes to financial aid?[/ul]</p>

<p>i got only loans.</p>

<p>it depends if you really need it</p>

<p>If you really need the money, Mudd will give you about 65-75% of the difference between the overall cost and your EFC.</p>

<p>rocketDA: I read your post before about the academic rigor of Mudd, and I was somewhat shocked. 4-5 hours of sleep average? That's somewhat short, since I'm used to 8.</p>

<p>I'm also ambivalent about the part of your post regarding the "name" of Mudd. I understand that grad schools would realize the rigor and the prestige of a Mudd education, but, as you said, the majority of the public do not know where Harvey Mudd is. I'm worried, because if I chose to look for work after my undergraduate years at Mudd, wouldn't there be a chance that the boss/hiring committee wouldn't know about Mudd?</p>

<p>I understand that college will not be easy, and I'm willing to work for it. Yet, my dad asked people at work if they knew about Mudd (he works for an engineering company), and only 2 people said yes. So...any opinions?</p>

<p>4-5 hours a night is a pretty good estimate for most school nights. some nights will be 3, some will be 6.</p>

<p>about finding a good job after mudd (or during summers):
career services are pretty good. here are some entry level jobs:
<a href="http://www.hmc.edu/admin/career/students/entryLevelJobs.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.hmc.edu/admin/career/students/entryLevelJobs.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>you're worrying too much. i suppose that you just have to "trust" and go for the ride. that's really all i have to say. </p>

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<p>4-5 hours per night? I mean i can imagine rough weeks being somewhat frequent, but is that 5 houres of sleep b/c you procastinated or hard working?</p>

<p>I'd like to know, too. I've heard that you can have a social life at Mudd, so did you factor that in to end up with 4-5 hours of sleep?</p>

<p>Ya if thats the case it would seem much more.. social :)</p>

<p>you have no clue....</p>

<p>i typically start my hw around 6 or 7 and go to 2 or sometimes later.</p>

<p>some nights are not bad at all...you have time to watch a movie...hw only will take 2 hours. others, you will spend 12-14 hours on various things. it's not that it is busy work...it is that you actually have to learn...</p>

<p>5 hours is very typical without much procrastination.</p>

<p>story time! (as a single example)</p>

<p>a few months back, we had a few very challenging assignments due. my suitemate came back from lunch and rested for about 30 minutes before he decided that he better get to all that work he could not get to before. he left to go to the computer lab to work on this stuff at roughly 2PM.
several hours went by and we didn't hear from him. he did not go to dinner and no one said they had seen him. 10, 11, 12 o'clock, no news. 1, 2, 3 AM, no suitemate.
there were very minimal classes the next day (must have been thursday) and we all turned in our work. (we had our hum papers ~25-30 pages, a difficult physics assignment, and some of us had math hw due.)
by morning, we were very worried as our friend had not come back. my other suitemate said he knew this because our friend's stuff never moved on his bed...nothing changed on his side of the room.
a few hours passed. we all went to lunch and we came back. sure enough, at roughly 12 30 PM, he showed up...looking more straggly than before (a difficult feat!).
when we asked him where he was he replied, "i was just doing my homework. it only took me 20 hours."</p>

<p>he then took an 18 hour nap....</p>

<p>now about being social....
tonight, there was a big party ("club two 300")...roughly 1000 people were there. there are 700 people at mudd...so it shows that everyone knows that we know how to have a good time.
on more normal evenings you usually have some time to do things you want to do... i check my email, facebook, and look at the lame things people say on this forum. sometimes, i find the time to respond!
as i type, there are 20 people downstairs around the fire pit. one person is playing the guitar and everyone is having a good time. two people are in the lounge, playing Gauntlet, an old-school arcade console that a mudd student overhauled and installed 7000+ games on it.
when you have a bunch of work to do, often a good amount can/should be worked in groups. if you don't academically work well with people, it is still a necessity to check answers... or else you will always be wrong and you will sink. in math/physics/chem, there are plenty of opportunities to make stupid mistakes.</p>

<p>so...we are quasi-social.</p>

<p>so here's the scoop...</p>

<p>I'm still undecided for my college choice: I got into northwestern, Mudd, Brown, and Upenn...</p>

<p>I plan on either majoring in engineering or math, and I know Mudd would be excellent for those. But I've never really thought myself as a "techie" kid--I purposely did NOT apply to MIT or CalTech. I did apply to stanford, because I thought it had more than just engineers, but was denied.
I've been told mudd doesn't have the same "techie" atmosphere as MIT or Caltech because it's a part of the whole claremont college program, but I'm a bit skeptical. I want a good math education, but i'd also like a liberal arts undergrad experience...most of my friends now are NOT engineering/math types. Also, I'm not particularly looking for such a tiny college. Does Mudd feel really small, or does the claremont college system make up for that?</p>

<p>mudd is weird. school feels big and small at the same time. you're attendence is noticed by your professors. they know all their students on a first name basis. this is good or bad, depending on how you look at it. there is no hiding.</p>

<p>the other schools help broaden the scope of the college a bit. its nice to have a few friends at the other colleges that are into psychology, art, and english. if you're worried about having enough outlets for those things, look no further. the problem is that if you come to mudd, you may not have as much time as you anticipated to do extra things.</p>

<p>although you don't regard yourself as a "techie", if you come to mudd and don't drop out, you'll be cream of the crop in terms of technical preparedness and knowing how to work with people in industry. the most rewarding part of studying here (for me), is the realization that learning about how things work (even by application of math) is much like poetry, music, or philosophy. science/math need-not be reduction of the natural world... it can be as beautiful and eligant as the arts.</p>

<p>I was browsing around at studentsreview.com, and I found this very insightful post.</p>

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[quote]
Mudd has an amazing admissions staff which can really give one a false impression of the school. The Dean of Admissions is one of the coolest people ever, and current students tend to be very friendly towards prospective students. Here are two myths you'll hear a lot:</p>

<p>Myth: Your low GPA won't matter, and people will recognize Harvey Mudd and know that your GPA is low because of the difficult coursework.
Truth: Most employers have never heard of Harvey Mudd, and when told which school you attend, often think that Harvey Mudd is a community college. I feel that I should note that I don't have a low GPA, but that some of my friends are not as lucky, and seeing them get turned down from every grad school they applied to hurts.</p>

<p>Myth: Clinic is a great experience.
Truth: Clinic can certainly help you get a job by introducing you to one of the few employers who has heard of Mudd, but having a good clinic experience is a crapshoot. Your project could be incredibly easy and require very little work, or you could be spending an average of 20 hours a week or more on clinic. You could have a great team that gets along well, or you could hate half of your team, or have several team members who either do no work or are incapable of doing competent work.</p>

<p>There are some things that (understandably) just aren't mentioned to prospective students:</p>

<p>-Facilities and Maintenance (F&M) is incredibly poorly run. At the end of the year, they throw away things left in students' rooms, and despite the fact that they knew I was a summer resident (so my belongings shouldn't be thrown away), and it was plainly marked on my door that I was a summer resident, they still threw away some of my things. That same summer they threw away some dorm property, which was then retrieved from the dumpster, and they then threw it out again. In all fairness, things have gotten a little better in recent years.
-Campus Security is also less than competent, but problems with CampSec are much less frequent than problems with F&M.
-The administration is motivated by little other than limiting their liability and getting money for the school. Your complaints mean very little until the school is trying to get you to donate money (in other words, until after you graduate).
-There is a fair chance that Mudd will do serious damage to your joy of life, and destroy your motivation. This is not at all uncommon. At times the workload gets extremely out of hand, and the only way to remain sane (or retain some semblance of a social life) is just to give up on your work. Towards the end of your freshman year and throughout your sophomore year the point at which you give up will come sooner and sooner. It gets to the point where you just blow off the homework for courses where it isn't weighted heavily.
-The Mudd student body is very segmented. Chances are you will strongly dislike a large portion of the student body. You will have classes with some of the most annoying people you have ever met. They will ask questions that are either completely unrelated to the lecture, or are solely intended to demonstrate their (supposedly superior) knowledge of the subject.
-The core is rather useless except in that it exposes you to a variety of subjects so that you can better choose your major. I have almost never used what I "learned" in core chemistry (1 year), physics (1.5 years), or math (2 years) since completing the core, and I don't remember any of it. Any courses which required knowledge from the core simply retaught it. Some of those classes are incredibly difficult, and it is not at all unlikely that you will receive a test grade in the 30s from one of these courses.</p>

<p>Some of the things admissions tells you are true:</p>

<p>-The faculty is for the most part excellent, and very approachable. Almost all of my interactions with the faculty have been positive, and they really are great.
-It's a good education, although I'd have to say that it's probably not worth it.</p>

<p>As far as my personal experience at Mudd goes:
-Mudd has done serious damage to my mental well-being. I arrived as a fairly well-adjusted young sucker, and now I'm leaving as a bitter and depressed sucker who has anxiety problems. I have almost no motivation.
-I have met some of the coolest people ever here, and if I had gone to a state school, I'm sure I wouldn't have met anyone half as awesome as these people (although there plenty of people here that I can't stand).
-I maintained a healthy social life at Mudd, but this didn't come without its costs. Most times I was enjoying the social life it was because I was putting off work, so it got to the point where even when I didn't have work to do, I would think that I did and feel guilty about not doing it. You will probably always feel like you have work hanging over your head, even when you don't.
-I feel that I have gotten a good education from Mudd, but if I could go back, I wouldn't come here. Your GPA at Mudd will probably be low, especially at the beginning, so transferring can be difficult.</p>

<p>While Mudd isn't what I would call a great place, I can confidently say that everyone I know from Mudd who has gone to grad school at Caltech or MIT says Mudd is significantly better (the social life in particular). So if you're trying to decide between these three, I'd say that Mudd is your best bet (barring post-graduation), but you probably shouldn't go to any of these places and perhaps you should rethink your college plans. You can always go to an easy school for undergrad that won't make you hate yourself or destroy your GPA and then go to a good grad school.

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<p>This is probably the most informative comment I have read about Mudd. I am not agreeing or disagreeing with this person, but I'll letting you guys know the opinion of yet another Mudd student.</p>

<p>Wow, I feel quite... dumb now after reading all of your guys' statistics.
Though I'm an AP Scholar with Distinction, and Presidential Scholars candidate (I shoudl be finding out soon, though I doubt I made it to semifinals), I'm not National Merit or anything like that, and I have a 3.56ish GPA, unweighted. 35 ACT, but only 2080 SAT, although a 800 Math II, 760 Math I (I know, how on earth did I do worse on the easier one??), and 720 Chemistry. Personally, I thought my essay sucked pretty bad, and I didn't read my teacher or counselor recommendations. I thought for sure I'd get turned away, especially after I read the statistics on the other people who got in... but I still got in. I'm scared for next year now, if my decision ends up being HMC.</p>

<p>Ya Forsaken its nice hearing form someone who had a poor experience. The one thing I have to comment on though is that just about any engineering school has an incredible amount of work involved in it. I've yet to meet an engi student anywhere who just says "Oh ya its easy and I party all the time." </p>

<p>Itll problem come down to the campus visit for me.</p>

<p>yeah, this place kills you alive.</p>

<p>i love oxymorons</p>

<p>i just want to give my input:</p>

<p>i get 8 hours of sleep almost every night and have plenty of time to have fun / keep up with my hobbies. yes, mudd is busy and hard, but i'm not sure i would agree that rocketDA's description of life here.</p>

<p>chalk, what's your major?</p>

<p>Does HMC take AP credits? Also, either of you two know anything about sports at HMC? And what's your opinion on the guy-girl ratio? sry, I'm just spewing out all kinds of qstns here :[</p>

<p>Also--any of you accepted ppl coming to the Admitted Students Program this Sunday??</p>