<p>Ive heard that ADOCH was only for RD students. What if i called Brown and said i really wanted to go, would they let me?</p>
<p>You can show up and do most of the events but there will be no student hosts available for you.</p>
<p>Pretty dumb policy - even for Brown. Modest, what are you doing about this? Or, is this another symptom of a changing Brown?</p>
<p>I don’t think it’s really policy per se, more like logistics. I’m pretty sure it’s a relatively new development that only came about because ADOCH was too crowded before and Brown just physically couldn’t house as many students as wanted to come. Thus, the priority is rightly given to kids who are still finding out whether they want to go to Brown or not, and space is not “wasted” on the kids who are already bound. It’s not like they’re actively trying to exclude the ED kids, in fact as modestmelody just said, ED kids can participate, they just can’t get housing.</p>
<p>We ran out of room, it’s that simple. Used to get far less attendance even with the same number of people accepted, and there are only so many freshman rooms for 2 people.</p>
<p>If Brown were to do anything, it would be to create 2 days. The thing is, ADOCH exists purely to increase yield, so removing ED students seems pretty acceptable from a policy perspective because it has no effect on accomplishing the goals of spending so much time and money organizing such a day.</p>
<p>Taking a purely utilitarian stance is silly and perhaps even somewhat lazy IMHO. They are using the “what are trying to get people to do?” reasoning rather than the “who are we here to serve?” version.</p>
<p>I didn’t say I agree, just that I know where the thinking is coming from. I think ED students are better ambassadors to those waffling than most actual students probably are.</p>
<p>I agree with modest- ED kids from my year did the best jobs in convincing me to matriculate. </p>
<p>This year, Bruin Club (the student organizations that deals with all things pre-frosh/high school) asked for non-freshmen were allowed to volunteer to accept. I don’t know if they’re changing the policy, but if we get enough volunteers I figured ED kids will be allowed me come, but I doubt it. Last year in my dorm, they were already cramming 3 or 4 prefrosh into some rooms.</p>
<p>Well, yes Modest, everything happens for a reason but, what a smack in the face to the ED students saying: If you’re committed to us you don’t count. That’s not a message any educator or administrator can defend.</p>
<p>I’m a lot less cynical than most people on here. It doesn’t read to me as you don’t count, it reads to me as we don’t have anywhere for you to sleep. I don’t like that reality, but I don’t know how to fix it.</p>
<p>Like said above, offer upperclassmen to volunteer. It’s not entirely clear how much thought has gone into the situation or what’s been tried in the past. It doesn’t seem like a purely logistical issue, just something they might not have considered doing before? I don’t know so that’s the end of my input here.</p>
<p>My understanding is that the fear of using upperclassmen is that it will lead to more alcohol use. I could be wrong but I seem to remember that being mentioned.</p>
<p>This conversation is like a parallel universe - Freshman were most likely to drink early, often and to excess compared to juniors and seniors - though those distinctions seem nonsense</p>
<p>Sorry not chasing you Modest, just have no idea what they’re thinking [at all!]</p>
<p>Can I get more information on what Fred calls “a changing brown” ?</p>
<p>Brown as a whole is not changing - interest in Brown IS. Brown has been surprised with unprecedented interest in the past few years, and as a result needs to manage its resources a bit more wisely. In past years, fewer students showed up for ADOCH. Likewise, with increased interest and more students showing up, Brown needs to prioritize students who need convincing to attend. With over 30,000 applicants, Brown shouldn’t mail decision letters to rejected applicants. Aside from admissions, Brown has had to make a few small budget cuts in light of the economy, but so too has every school. Many universities are making changes in how they manage their resources at this time, Brown no more than any other school. The difference is at Brown, people are more concerned with these kinds of issues - they all get mentioned in the Herald.</p>
<p>okay thank you for the information!</p>
<p>just a heads up for anyone who was wondering - ADOCH is april 15-16 this year</p>
<p>I am outraged ED students don’t get to go to ADOCH. I was so looking forward to it, I am truly devastated. I think we should all write to Brown and voice our opposition in the true Brown Student spirit.</p>
<p>I have worked with ADOCH in the past, and this is not a new policy. Four years ago, ADOCH was horribly overcrowded. Not only were the dorm rooms packed, but the spaces on campus were simply not big enough to hold the crowds. Many people complained, and I can tell you that it was a truly miserable experience. People changed their minds about coming to Brown because ADOCH was a mess. They had to do something about that. The great thing about Brown is that the classes are smaller, but that leaves very little space for large events. It is simply a space issue.</p>
<p>darrob-- I agree, actually. I was also around for that ADOCH and saw students on CC and talked to potential students who were here that felt ADOCH was poorly organized. For many of them, the chaos created by having so many students was a sign that Brown was a poorly run place and that they should go elsewhere.</p>