Advice Needed

<p>No long explanation here. Just the facts. </p>

<p>I'm in the Navy, been in for 7 months. They're letting people out, and I'm in the process of getting released. If it's granted, I'd like to go to law school. Here are my credentials:</p>

<p>Undergraduate: Georgetown SFS '09
Degree: B.S.F.S. International Politics
GPA: 2.97
LSAT: 162 practice, haven't taken the real deal.
Employment: Officer, United States Navy (May 2009 - August 2010)</p>

<p>Now, my question is, is it worth a shot applying to top-tier law schools? I think my low GPA might be balanced out by a kickass LSAT, and good recommendations. The Navy experience should help as well. </p>

<p>Thoughts?</p>

<p>When it comes to law schools, it<code>s not like applying to undergraduate schools.They only thing they care about is numbers,numbers, and guess what - numbers.Therefore, I can</code>t see how a Navy position can be helpful.
However ~~3.00 GPA and 160+ LSAT can get you into many good law schools.</p>

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Neither can being the author of "Prozac Nation." But it's still a great soft factor. Could you please stop giving advice?

[quote] Therefore, I can`t see how a Navy position can be helpful.

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<p>In my estimation, you’d need somewhere in the mid-170s to have a shot at any of the T14s.</p>

<p>I do not think that 7 months in the Navy is going to help his cause unless he has done something substantial during the time where he can write one really great personal statement about it.</p>

<p>I think being in the navy is an excellent soft. Still, you’ll probably need to score in the 170’s to have a shot at the T14</p>

<p>Generally, military service is an outstanding soft factor for law school, but I’m not sure that serving for 7 months is going to be the overwhelming “plus” that the OP would need to overcome the low GPA and LSAT score. The OP’s best hope for getting into a top law school will come from retaking the LSAT once, when the OP is well prepared, and doing extraordinarily well. Even then, it may not be possible to get into a T14 with under a 3.0 GPA.</p>

<p>Thanks everyone. Here’s some more info:</p>

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<li>It’ll be 15 months as an officer by the time I leave the Navy (if it happens). I’ve been in flight school, stationed in Florida. Gotten through flight training without a hitch, but they’re overmanned and asking for volunteers to get out. </li>
<li>I’ve written a supplementary essay explaining the low GPA. Factors included ROTC and an internal transfer after freshman year. I had two years of 21-22 credit hour semesters, with 2 calculus, 2 physics, and 6 intensive foreign language courses dragging me down. Plus military training and naval science courses. My sub-major specialization was Foreign Policy and Policy Processes. I’m not a math or science person, definitely not a foreign language person. </li>
<li>There was an upward trend. My last semester GPA was 3.6. </li>
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<p>My current list of schools is:</p>

<p>Reach

  • UPenn
  • Cornell
  • Harvard</p>

<p>Moderate Reach / Fighting Chance

  • Villanova
  • Notre Dame
  • Boston College</p>

<p>Moderate / Good Chance

  • Dickinson / PSU
  • Temple</p>

<p>Any more thoughts would be appreciated.</p>

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<p>Those aren’t even reaches with a 2.97. They’re more in the “don’t waste your money” range.</p>

<p>If you pull a mid-170s, NU is your best bet in the T14.</p>

<p>Also, somewhat foolish to calculate the reach, match, safety bets when you don’t have an LSAT score.</p>

<p>Well as I said, I’m in the embryonic stages of thinking about this. As I said above, I scored 162 in my first practice test, although I understand it means nothing until I take the real deal. So foolish maybe, but I’m just testing the waters at this point.</p>

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<p>OK, and with a 162, the reach schools you cited above are not even close to reaches.</p>

<p>@ flowerhead
He said this is just his first practice test, meaning that he can score 170+ if he keeps on practising .</p>

<p>Slightly off-the-topic question here:</p>

<p>Why does everyone on CC seem to think that after studying, anyone can achieve a 170+ on the LSAT? Of course, preparation and studying help, but there is a reason why most people do not obtain LSAT scores of 170+, and it’s certainly not for lack of trying.</p>

<p>Flowerhead,</p>

<p>Since you seem to know a lot about this, what do you think my chances would be at the second group of schools? Villanova and Boston College are settling as more realistic possibilities in my head. Assume no improvement in my score (an LSAT in the 160-165 range). </p>

<p>sallyawp,</p>

<p>I have a friend who improved her score 12 points from her first practice test to the first real test. Nobody suggested that anyone can get 170+, but clearly improvement is a possibility for anyone. </p>

<p>Thanks for the replies. I know I won’t get into Harvard, even with a 180, but my parents are pushing it, saying they’ll foot the bill. Not sure why. I do think Cornell and UPenn are crazy reaches, but not impossible reaches. Need to score quite high before I pull the trigger on them, clearly.</p>

<p>you are underestimating the power of numbers here. 3.0/160 is a world of difference from 3.0/165. </p>

<p>see plots here: </p>

<p>[LSN</a> :: Boston College - Admissions Graph](<a href=“Recently Updated J.D. Profiles | Law School Numbers”>Recently Updated J.D. Profiles | Law School Numbers)</p>

<p>3.0/165 i bet will be somewhat competitive at schools in the 20-40 range of us news rankings</p>

<p>You might want to take a look at this:
[url=<a href=“Search for Law Schools – LSAC Official Guide | The Law School Admission Council”>Search for Law Schools – LSAC Official Guide | The Law School Admission Council]LSATGPA[/url</a>]</p>

<p>Play around with the LSAT score.</p>

<p>Not all LS are included. Remember these are last years numbers: it will probably be a bit more competitive by the time you apply.</p>

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<p>Not sure if that’s true. Thought I read somewhere that college applications are decreasing soon. Though you may be right… it might take a while for that decrease to reflect in law school admissions. Hmmm.</p>