<p>I know ILR grads do really well in law school admissions. But what about AEM students? do they have the same probability as other Cornell majors of getting into top law schools? The AEM website only has information on job placement, not grad school placement.</p>
<p>great GPA and LSAT and you’ll be fine. The LSAT will have a much larger impact than which individual school you’re enrolled in at Cornell, I wouldn’t worry about anything.</p>
<p>does AEM fool law school adcoms by not being called “business management” ??</p>
<p>As a soft factor, your major would hurt you.
As ResurgameBell said, “Business Management” is one of the few majors law schools don’t like. </p>
<p>However at the end of the day, like gomestar said, 90% of the law school application is GPA and LSAT, and if you do well in both of those areas you should be fine.</p>
<p>My major would hurt me? *** are you talking about? Maybe AEM won’t be as impressive as a 4.0 in engineering, but it is still one of the hardest undergrad business programs to get into and one of the only 2 ivy league schools that has an accredited undergrad business program. However, I do agree with the fact that law schools might not like business majors because of a lack of emphasis on reading/writing. But by taking reading/writing-intensive courses (ie philoshopy, political science, history) it will show adcoms that you have the ability to analyze and interpret information and communicate it.</p>
<p>And to respond to Resurgam’s incredibly ignorant and pompous remark, do you honestly think that law school adcoms don’t have a basic knowledge of the schools their undergrads are coming from? geez. these people work in the field of academia and know about colleges and whether or not there is grade inflation, competitiveness among students, quality of students, etc. And you make it seem as if coming from AEM is something to be embarrassed about, when in fact it is one of Cornell’s, and the nation’s, best business programs.</p>
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<p>if you were so sure of the answer (as indicated by your “*** are you talking about” statement), then why did you ask the question?</p>
<p>Haha ^. Right on.</p>
<p>I asked it for the same reason nearly all posters here ask questions, to get a different point of view. But when I asked the question in my first post, I wasn’t expecting such ridiculous and generalized answers. My question was not “Will business majors have a tough time getting into law school”. It was specific, between AEM, ILR, and other cornell majors, I wanted to know if AEM had an similar percentage of grads going to law school, and if not, why.</p>
<p>I know that an AEM major can get into law school, I have NO doubt in my mind about that, but again, I wanted to know, when comparing ILR and other majors across Cornell, what the statistics were.</p>
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<p>I’m going to take a shot in the dark here, but:</p>
<p>AEM , ILR, and anything in CAS are all majors at Cornell.
If an AEM student and a student from one of the other schools had the same GPA, LSAT, and resume, the law school would pick the other student.</p>
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<p>Therefore, comparatively to the other majors at Cornell, being an AEM major will hurt your chances. </p>
<p>Replace [other school at Cornell] with [any non-vocational major at an Ivy/top university such as MIT, Northwestern, UChicago, etc], which are all equally accredited universities (since if you’re applying to top law schools you’re probably going against a bulk of those students), and you’re put at a disadvantage comparatively to, well, the applicant pool. </p>
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<p>I think I just justified my statement.</p>
<p>If you don’t believe me, believe Harvard Law School:</p>
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<p>Albeit, this “disadvantage” will be a small one. To reiterate my original post, undergrad major is a SOFT factor. At the end of the day everything comes down to GPA and LSAT, but like my hypothetical situation, as long as you’re up there and not on the fence you’ll be fine. </p>
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<p>It seems as though you received a different point of view, but were only willing to coincide with those that seemed affirmative to your own wistful intentions. Maybe you did receive some “generalizations” that correlated business majors to law school, but quite frankly, AEM is a business program, and the title of this post is “AEM and Law School”. </p>
<p>Furthermore, I don’t think people answered the question “Will business majors have a tough time getting into law school.” I think they answered the question, does AEM give a Cornell student the same chance at law school as another major. Wonder where that idea came from…</p>
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<p>Oh, there it is. </p>
<p>I apologize if I’m coming off as rude, but I do find it a bit offensive that people on this board were willing to take the time to help you out with a question, and your response instead of “Thanks, but I already knew business majors were looked down upon in law school admissions. Would you happen to have any specific statistics on the placement of AEM students in law school?” was “*** do you even know what you’re talking about”</p>
<p>As far as statistics go:</p>
<p>[Let</a> me google that for you](<a href=“http://lmgtfy.com/?q=AEM+cornell+post+graduate+plans]Let”>http://lmgtfy.com/?q=AEM+cornell+post+graduate+plans)</p>
<p>The wonders of the internet. </p>
<p>If you click on the first link, 8% of the students in AEM go on to graduate school, compared to 23% at ILR that go to Law School alone, and I think a total of 34% go on to graduate school. </p>
<p>Granted, the statistics are flawed because about 29% of ILR majors apply to law school, where I don’t think that large of a percentage of AEM kids applied. </p>
<p><em>Not relative, but: Despite a far large amount of AEM kids going into the workforce compared to ILR kids who opted for graduate education (84% to 61%), the mean salary of an ILR major in Financial services was $54,565, compared to an AEM grade whose mean salary was $53,474!</em>
Sorry just saw that and wanted to showcase the ILR pride =]</p>
<p>Considering the lax nature of the AEM curriculum, I wouldn’t be surprised if AEM majors were at a disadvantage.</p>
<p>lol thanks for defending me roneald…</p>
<p>OP: i threw out the question to everyone…i didnt mean to antagonize you</p>
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<p>@ roneald: how do you figure that? how did you get to that presumption? a law school would REALLY pick ANY MAJOR over AEM? even… let’s say… a 17th-century art major or how about an landscape architect or an animal science major? i’m not putting any major down, i’m just saying that it’s absolutely ridiculous to make a blanket statement like that. now, if you said that it’s more likely that someone with a major that emphasizes analytical skills like philosophy over a vocational major, then THAT would be okay. but to straight-up say what you did… that’s just narrow-minded and i can’t help but feel that you’re lashing out a bit.</p>
<p>also, @ ray192:
- lax compared to which majors? pre-med? architect? sure. but… econ? let’s not delude ourselves here. it’s essentially the same.</p>
<p>finally, to answer your question, joetheplumber09 - i would say that more people in ILR go to cornell with the express purpose of going into law school, than people in AEM. so you can’t really base anything off of statistics.</p>
<p>a lot more people in ILR go into college with the express purposes of going onto law school.</p>
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<p>Econ might be a joke, but not as much as AEM. There’s a reason why AEM lets you have either Econ 3130 OR PAM 2000… and why PAM 2000 is a joke compared to 3130. </p>
<p>And I doubt that AEM has any classes at the difficulty level of, say, Intertemporal Economics or Decision Theory.</p>
<p>every major, no matter how “easy”, has notoriously hard classes… but that’s not the question. plus, not everyone takes those classes. </p>
<p>AEM lets you have PAM 2000 because not everyone WANTS to go into a field that places strong emphasis on theory. why should someone, if they want to go into marketing or accounting, have to learn about the more intricate theories of econ? i have never understood why econ majors strive to put down AEM majors. it’s not like you guys don’t end up doing essentially the same thing AEM students do. </p>
<p>(and please don’t take this next comment seriously, it’s only my AEM Ambassadors pride speaking: psh it only takes 8 classes to be an econ major. and you want to talk about AEM being a joke…? at least we have to take more classes to become eligible for our majors. and don’t say quality not quantity bc there are tons of AEM/econ crossover classes)</p>
<p>I did say Economics is a joke major, did I not? But it is ever slightly more challenging. PAM 2000 is an example, so is Math 1106 vs. Math 1110. Then compare AEM 2100 and Econ 3190, AEM 4140 and ECON 3580… see a pattern? Econ majors don’t tend to like theory that much either, yet they still forced to take classes with theory because they’re expected to be able to handle it. Yet you say that AEM students don’t need theory classes… and therein lies the heart of it. Most AEM students are not in school for intellectual challenges or academic curiosity. So why should they complain when they aren’t considered academically rigorous? They get easy A’s regardless.</p>
<p>And there are plenty of difficult Econ classes, plenty of rigorous curriculums to be made within the (Law schools will certainly frown upon the easy econ route, anyhow) confines of the discipline. AEM… not so much. Besides, most Econ majors know the major is a joke so they get a lot of other stuff done too. Me, I’m doing Computer Science. I can’t say I’m met many AEM majors who voluntarily decided to spice up their easy curriculum.</p>
<p>And no, I’m not striving to do any thing remotely close to what AEM people do. My focus is on decision/game theory and its applications with artificial intelligence and machine learning. Don’t tell me I get to do the same in AEM. </p>
<p>And why is my Production Econ class cross-listed as a graduate-level AEM class? Pshaw.</p>
<p>And my real problem with AEM is that its the biz-major and biz-major wannabes who have made the Econ major so watered down. God dang it, I tell people that Economics is a mathematically intensive discipline and everybody laughs in my face just because the damn biz majors wanted econ classes to be more like math-less biz-lite classes… sorry, I know I’m very, very bitter.</p>
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<p>Well put. I had originally put “traditional liberal arts major”, but I didn’t want to leave out engineering and the sciences, so I removed my disclaimer.</p>
<p>I intended to say what you meant, so sorry for that. I was not lashing out, just trying to make a point. </p>
<p>For lack of a shorter phrase, you can replace “anyone from the other schools” to “any intellectually stimulating liberal arts or science major”.</p>
<p>Yeah but you get the point. </p>
<p>Also, sorry if I’m intruding, but to chime in on the Econ vs AEM debate:</p>
<p>I think the fact that AEM majors need more classes to fulfill the major is an argument in defense of Ray192 here. For one thing, from what I’ve heard AEM majors have one of the highest median grade averages for their classes out of all the majors at Cornell, meaning more AEM classes = more easy classes. Econ majors on the other hand end up taking a multitude of their other classes in the CAS, where the classes are probably harder than AEM classes.</p>
<p>Actually, y’know what, I changed my mind. Econ should be considered to be just as joke-ish as AEM… UNLESS the major is specifically rigorous and not all fluff. I just realized that most of the Econ majors who follow the easy route are just AEM wannabes, who shouldn’t get any brownie or mercy points, even if they do end up taking slightly hrader classes than AEMs. </p>
<p>Damn it, whose idea was it to turn Econ is a joke major?? <grumble grumble=“”></grumble></p>
<p>^^ Sadly, it’s true. I know of plenty of kids (including multiple friends) who opted to go to CAS Econ because they didn’t think they could get into AEM. </p>
<p>On the flip side, I’d like to throw in something as well:</p>
<p>There are definitely kids in AEM who could use a lot of their electives to take challenging classes outside of AEM (some of which who do). On average though, and as far as this topic pertains, I still think it hurts your chances at law school compared to a normal liberal arts/science major.</p>
<p>Roneal:</p>
<p>How is ILR considered by Harvard to be a traditional Liberal arts major program?</p>
<p>Haha it’s funny you should ask that I looked into that very subject myself (called Harvard Admissions a few weeks ago).</p>
<p>It’s sharply definitive on the classes you use to mold your ILR schedule; it can either be used as highly angled toward business, or the opposite extreme of a pure social science major. </p>
<p>However, with no internal peeks at a transcript, the ILR major is described as: “a bachelor of science degree, taking courses based in the social sciences and complemented by campus-wide offerings in the humanities.”</p>
<p>In other words, your son will do fine when he applies to law school ;D</p>