<p>You are an exception. Just because you are a URM, doent mean that you have a 100% shot at the ivies. </p>
<p>Ivy Leagues actually want URMs that dont achieves as high as qualified whites and asians.</p>
<p>primitivefuture that is so untrue lol, this thread really needs to end</p>
<p>Never meant to imply that I had a 100% shot at getting into the ivies. Only point I am making is that just because you are a minority, you don't have an automatic in. Some white students tend to use Affirmative Action as an excuse only after they don't get into the school they were "sure" they would get in to.</p>
<p>I agree, some students should look inthe mirror before they start blaming external factors. Also, primitivefuture, why would the Ivies want underqualified students? That makes zero sense.</p>
<p>Why do you include white people here? Can you refer to asians who work so hard?</p>
<p>maize... i was in a multicultural issues class the other semester and we got into a heated argument about this topic. I was saying that if you work hard, you can do just as well. The opportunities are many times out there. You just have to look for them. At the end of a huge argument, I remember one kid ( didn't care too much about school... about C avg) finally said, "But what if we try and then still don't do well??" ....... Anyways, the kid had a completely different view of the world which will affect her future success. But I guess that's the idea of chartering the kids from inner city. They grow up in a completely different environment - dont' always have the amazing support that many CC parents give their kids. Therefore, (i have seen this firsthand) when these kids even apply to college... they sometimes get grief from family... and if they don't get in... then it's humiliation for a while. The whole point is to show these teens a world outside the one they grew up. </p>
<p>But anyways to go with Prpunkin. I'm hispanic, got rejected at brown.</p>
<p>I went to the Duke minority weekend and most of the kids there were rejected from both harvard and yale. I dont think you guys know how many qualified african americans who apply and are rejected. I was accepted to Yale but I met plenty of african americans with above 1400 SAT's who were rejected while I got in with a 1330. You need to know that most blacks dont get in because of their scores but how they have overcome their difficulties and excelled.</p>
<p>i don't believe the affirmative action thing... i'm asian, and basicly theres a zillion asians out there with 1600 4.0s that are rejected. so it has nothing to do with race. or maybe they are rejected cuz they're asian haha. oh well. just think of it as a crapshot. u got in. sweet. u didnt. wasn't meant to be. or u can live in forever doom.... up to u</p>
<p>I'd have to say that the adversity factor, socioeconomic status have to back up the minority status. One kid on the Brown board got in with a 1050, I believe. He's black... but that's not nearly the whole picture. He's strive to excell is amazing. He works until 11 at night, does homework until the wee hours of the morning and then finally sleeps. He lives in Dc and his family has been homeless for years. How many people in a situation like that even dream about college? Usually urm students that get into top schools with below average scores have something else going on.</p>
<p>I absolutely agree with giving a kid who got 1350 SAT while holding 2 jobs and taking care of his sick mother preference over some kid from a rich suburb who got 1380. But what does that have to do with race? Are we assuming all blacks are poor, from single-parent families, and went to crappy HS's and that all Asians are the opposite? I thought we were done with making assumptions on the basis of race.</p>
<p>Norcalguy...if you read Stanmaster's post you'll realize that not all minorities are getting in, so obviously colleges aren't just looking at race as a factor. I went to a Columbia summer program where I met some current students at the University, and almost all of the African Americans there had 1400+. There were also quite a few Asians with scores below that (GASP!).</p>
<p>geee being asian sux. oooooo lucky for me my fellow sisters and brothers have to be math geniuses and make up about 25% of all the ivy populations... with african americans at a low barely 10% and caucasians 30-40%, considering they're suppose to be the dominant race, and overall population of u.s. wise, i think asians are totally over ratioed in ivy leagues. </p>
<p>who's gonna accept a 1400 asian girl when you got a gazillion 1600s that have flawless apps? theyll be anything u can think of.... i know cuz my friends are like that, with strict family education rules and all... 12 years of piano, 4.0 uw, perfect sat act sat2, 20 APs, crying over a 4 on the ap... nx to that 1400 is BAD>> geee mybe i gotta win a nobel peace prize or something for harvard to notice me, since they talk about "standing out"... and "other factors", or ill join the peace corp or take care of sick children in africa for a year,.... or get acquainted with the chairman/prime minister of china and make him write my recommendation</p>
<p>oh well, mybe nex life ill be native american, ha</p>
<p>swtswtdreams...I would suggest taking care of sick children in Africa, I did it, very rewarding</p>
<p>But seriously...good luck</p>
<p>Like I said before.....sour grapes.</p>
<p>All I want is world peace..............</p>
<p>just wondering..what would be the downside of socioeconomic AA instead of race Aa?</p>
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<p>This is the one of the most commonly held piles of PC crap thats going around these days.</p>
<p>The C student was right to ask. It's a very valid question. What does happen when you try and fail?</p>
<p>You seem to forget. People ARE intrinsically different. People HAVE different levels of aptitude. People do have different merits. Nothing can change this. The starting line will never truely be everyone's equal. A moron will never have an equal chance to get a Harvard PhD and a midget will never have an equal chance to play in the NBA.</p>
<p>You can change your statement so it makes more sense to: if you work hard, you can do just as well with the same merits. That holds strongly with intuition, but flies directly contrary to affrimative action. AA by its very definition contradicts it because race is not a merit.</p>
<p>AA is just crap from the bottom of some person's shoe crying for equality but representing inequality with a mind set on revenge for years of racism and exercising racism themselves.</p>
<p>Don't you all see that AA is simply WRONG. THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION WHATSOEVER.</p>
<p>Some people think that just because of the historical events of their ethnicity and the common social and economic inferiority today (though not in many cases), they should deserve the same oppurtunity everyone else does (though they are actually getting more).</p>
<p>It's truly pathetic to see people supporting and trying to argue for AA. You guys don't know it, but minorities which are given to the advantage of AA are actually selling themselves and promoting the inequality and inferiority that society places on them.</p>
<p>Nah, they know it because I told them step by step and was not refuted!</p>
<p>I'm glad you all got into your top choice schools; I always just point out that you do so at the cost of equality and the value of your degree.</p>
<p>"Nah, they know it because I told them step by step and was not refuted!"</p>
<p>Have you been reading the same same thread as everyone else.</p>