Affirmative Action has gone too far

<p>"LOL, are you serious"</p>

<p>Completely. The worst in America is still not as bad as it gets. I've heard stories of people visiting and commenting on how everyone in America is rich and how the race relations are so good</p>

<p>...after visiting the south side of Chicago.</p>

<p>You can rip of my experience as a reasonably well off white suburbanite all you want, but I find it utterly ludicrous to be taking shots at asian immigrants and their children for being "racists" who have no idea what real struggle is.</p>

<p>Central and south American countries have been run by brutal dictatorships for so long that it doesnt make the news.</p>

<p>"Central and south American countries have been run by brutal dictatorships for so long that it doesnt make the news."</p>

<p>And do you hear me saying that they don't know stuggle? Of course not, and you never will. I'm merely pointing out is the utter ridiculousness of the claims made by the above apoplectic poster.</p>

<p>Yeah this thread is really starting to get personal and offensive. I am seriously sad reading something like this because in your words you guys are undermining everything I have done in high school and placing everything on my race. It hurts to know that when I go to school next year there will be some people who will consider themselves better than me because they thinnk i got in because of my race. This is a shock to me but I guess if I go to school with some of you than it will be a reality. Another obstacle I need to overcome I guess.</p>

<p>The big problem is inner city schools, they need to be improved you will never be able to even the field,the privileged will always have an edge it is why would those with real power give it up. Our best hope is to level the playing field for everyone else ie the middle and low class by making inner city schools equivalent with a middle class school but sadly the same conservative people who are against AA are the same group of people who dont want to put in the money to fix the real problem.</p>

<p>but why I am writing this, reasoning and facts have not been welcomed in this thread since it was started</p>

<p>"And do you hear me saying that they don't know stuggle? Of course not, and you never will. I'm merely pointing out is the utter ridiculousness of the claims made by the above apoplectic poster."</p>

<p>Now that you understand that add it with "statistically large amount of chinese and vietnamese immigrants come from families with money. It takes money to come to the USA because as far as I know there is no free shuttle service." and the fact that cambodians that are treated as URM's and youll see that those that struggled and are living in in America are considered URM's while those who didnt are not. IF mao's son came to america would you believe he struggled.</p>

<p>"The big problem is inner city schools, they need to be improved you will never be able to even the field,the privileged will always have an edge it is why would those with real power give it up. Our best hope is to level the playing field for everyone else ie the middle and low class by making inner city schools equivalent with a middle class school but sadly the same conservative people who are against AA are the same group of people who dont want to put in the money to fix the real problem.</p>

<p>but why I am writing this, reasoning and facts have not been welcomed in this thread since it was started"</p>

<p>I believe I argued for something similar a while back. The educational opportunities have to be improved at the lower levels, as early as elementary schools. There's a lot of work that has to be done by a lot of people, both black and white, privelaged and not, but it's doable.</p>

<p>"Now that you understand that add it with "statistically large amount of chinese and vietnamese immigrants come from families with money. It takes money to come to the USA because as far as I know there is no free shuttle service." and the fact that cambodians that are treated as URM's and youll see that those that struggled and are living in in America are considered URM's while those who didnt are not. IF mao's son came to america would you believe he struggled."</p>

<p>I'm not defining between what colleges consider URMs and what they don't. The above poster made a blanket statement that included all asian-americans, and I believe that to be patently false. I was calling him on that, I wasn't making an argument for or against the way affirmative action applies to any of the groups under discussion.</p>

<p>...and actually historically many destitute Asians (Chinese, Japanese before gentlemen's agreement) came over to work in the fields and on the railroads.</p>

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I believe I argued for something similar a while back. The educational opportunities have to be improved at the lower levels, as early as elementary schools. There's a lot of work that has to be done by a lot of people, both black and white, privelaged and not, but it's doable

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<p>Agreed, but this is in no way an argument for racial affrimative action.</p>

<p>always playing the race card...what a shame</p>

<p>"I'm not defining between what colleges consider URMs and what they don't. The above poster made a blanket statement that included all asian-americans, and I believe that to be patently false. I was calling him on that, I wasn't making an argument for or against the way affirmative action applies to any of the groups under discussion."</p>

<p>Are trying to imply that youve been neutral in this thread</p>

<p>"always playing the race card...what a shame"</p>

<p>also available the racist card</p>

<p>stanmaster22: Now you understand why some URM's do not favor AA. To accept AA is to accept the racist prejduces that come along with it, the idea that every black, hispanic, and native american needs help in order to get into a good university (as if they can't do it on their own merit).</p>

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also available the racist card

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<p>Which people who support AA and people like Jesse Jackson will play ad nauseum! I must have been out to lunch when the world changed and calling someone a "racist" automatically defeated whatever argument he might have.</p>

<p>"Are trying to imply that youve been neutral in this thread"</p>

<p>Not for the whole thread. I certainly have my opinions and I've expressed them. However on that particular post I was not considering how colleges would regard each sub-group of asian-americans in regards to affirmative action. A claim was made that I felt was unfair, mean-spirited and shockingly intellectually dishonest from an ivy-league accepted student and I responded to it.</p>

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I believe I argued for something similar a while back. The educational opportunities have to be improved at the lower levels, as early as elementary schools. There's a lot of work that has to be done by a lot of people, both black and white, privelaged and not, but it's doable</p>

<p>Agreed, but this is in no way an argument for racial affrimative action."</p>

<p>It is because a large number of black people are making less money than everyone else look fo yourself but I suspect you have an immunity to facts but here they are.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.census.gov/hhes/income/histinc/f07b.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.census.gov/hhes/income/histinc/f07b.html&lt;/a>
<a href="http://www.census.gov/hhes/income/histinc/f08.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.census.gov/hhes/income/histinc/f08.html&lt;/a>
<a href="http://www.census.gov/hhes/income/histinc/f07c.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.census.gov/hhes/income/histinc/f07c.html&lt;/a>
<a href="http://www.census.gov/hhes/income/histinc/f07a.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.census.gov/hhes/income/histinc/f07a.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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Not for the whole thread. I certainly have my opinions and I've expressed them. However on that particular post I was not considering how colleges would regard each sub-group of asian-americans in regards to affirmative action. A claim was made that I felt was unfair, mean-spirited and shockingly intellectually dishonest from an ivy-league accepted student and I responded to it."</p>

<p>Yea he did write a pretty dumb comment.</p>

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also available the racist card</p>

<p>Which people who support AA and people like Jesse Jackson will play ad nauseum! I must have been out to lunch when the world changed and calling someone a "racist" automatically defeated whatever argument he might have."</p>

<p>I know youre not a fan of statistics that nonsense, but its been shown that statistically black people get pulled over more often and people with a black first name and way of speaking are asked to inteview less.</p>

<p>Well, as I return to this "objective" analysis, it seems that ppl are suggesting that AA is most beneficial those rich, fat cat black kids. This is a LIE. Except for those rare cases, AA helps black and hispanic kids who come from working class families and go to disfunctinal inner-city schools. It has also allowed women to acquire positions of leadership in the corporate world, after centuries of discrimination. I know we're talking about college but....</p>

<p>Someone else said that poor whites outperform blacks are something like that. Again, poor whites/asians do not attend inner-city schools. Not many poor whites living in the South Side of Chicago or South L.A.
Haven't you guys heard of DE FACTO SEGREGATION? DAMN </p>

<p>MAIZE, can you give me FIVE standards that measure whether someone is QUALIFIED or NOT? I'll start for you.</p>

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<li>SAT and SAT II scores/ACT scores (I know this is the paramount factor for you, the expert, to determine the worth of each and every student)</li>
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<p>2.</p>

<p>haha</p>

<p>that should be disfunctional and "or"</p>

<p>of course the message is the same</p>