<p>"I don't see how you can say it won't. If society accepted Black = poor, black people would be seen as lazy, dirty, and immoral (moreso than they are already). This may not be FAIR, but it would happen."</p>
<p>If that isnt FAIR what makes AA UNFAIR. I dont see how you justify the belief that the poor are inferior and argue that AA is unfair> How could you believe that youre not confused</p>
<p>I didn't say the poor were inferior. </p>
<p>I said in the real world being labeled "poor" will make someone come to be seen as inferior.</p>
<p>Go back and re-read my last post carefully.</p>
<p>If the poor are inferior to me, they will be seen as being inferior to me.Cause and Effect.</p>
<p>I don't follow</p>
<p>seen- were=semantics(im not going to debate semantics)</p>
<p>M&B22 is a pretty accomplished troll. He's reeling in a pretty big catch today. </p>
<p>Remember - don't feed the trolls!</p>
<p>they won't be poor once they get a college education. AA helps social justice.</p>
<p>"M&B22 is a pretty accomplished troll. He's reeling in a pretty big catch today.</p>
<p>Remember - don't feed the trolls!"</p>
<p>I havent seen his other posts, but in either case its nice to leave a carcasss to discourage the rest of the trolls.</p>
<p>How about we call it a draw...</p>
<p>this isnt going anywhere and you guys are littering my email inbox O.o</p>
<p>plus Maize has to do his paper :)</p>
<p>Yes, they will become inferior in that sense, at least in the minds of society.</p>
<p>So now you're saying:</p>
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<li><p>Black = poor</p></li>
<li><p>Saying "Black = poor" won't promote prejudice because the poor aren't inferior.</p></li>
<li><p>Being labeled inferior in the minds of people will make them inferior. Since they aren't inferior they won't be labeled?</p></li>
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<p>?????</p>
<p>Like I said, look at any society, anywhere, ever. The poor are labeled as inferior. Why is it going to be different this time? If being labeled inferior makes you inferior, than the poor are, indeed, inferior.</p>
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<p>I hardly ever argue on here, and I never call names or start inflammitory threads (well, this might be my first). I started it to talk about how prevelant AA was this year. It took precisely one post before someone wanted to bait me into an AA debate.</p>
<p>This is heading in the direction of semantics debate which I wont participate in.</p>
<p>You are right maize, any acknowledgment of the racial socio-economic divide in this country would merely perpetuate the racism which fuels it in the first place (please please please note the sarcasm). We obviously cannot simply ignore the maldistribution of wealth in our society, and I certainly don;t feel comfortable labeling attempts to change this as unjust. Furthermore, you seem to be viewing college admissions as a merit reward process, a formulaic examination as to the calibur of high school students. However it is simply respective universities efforts to create their desired student body. Perhaps they value ethnic, cultural, and economic diversity. Please don't take this defensively, I don;t feel like taking part in a heated argument on an internet message board lol, simply my opinion.</p>
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<p>Heh...</p>
<p>You're the one arguing words. I've made nothing but good points to which you've done, well, nothing intelligable. Ahh well, you haven't made sense in about 10-11 posts. I declare myself the champion - let socio-economic AA go forth across the land ;)</p>
<p>Have a great day guys!</p>
<p>I agree completely with Maize&Blue22.</p>
<p>-- There is no justification in using Affirmative Action based on race over Socioeconomics . So many groups have faced discrimination when they came to America [Irish, Germans, Italians, Greeks, etc.] In the 1940s we rounded up all the Japanese and put them in INTERNMENT CAMPS. Are any of those other groups asking for Afirmative Action? No. Because they realize in America you must make it through hard work and determination. If we really wanted to help the disadvantage wouldn't we base it on socioeconomics to help all those who have struggled. </p>
<p>-- Most Blacks who need Affirmative Action rarely benefit from it. Generally, the upper-middle class and rich kids who have great educational benefits get a free gift -- because they are black and have the teachers to get good SAT scores. </p>
<p>--- Affirmative Action causes a damaging stigma. This is why many African Americans (ie. Ward Connerly, etc.) are AGAINST affirmative. The attitude arises that you weren't smart enough to do it on you're inferior and need help.</p>
<p>-- We live in a functionalist society and it is detrimental not to have the brightest minds have the best resources. For example, if im getting heart surgery I don't give a damn if you are White, Black, Asian, Chinese, Hispanic or whatever -- I want the guy (or girl) who can do the best job. When I am under the knife I don't want any mistakes. The brighest minds cure diseases and make society more efficent, etc. </p>
<p>--</p>
<p>btw, I got into my first choice college [ranked in Top 20] so don't accuse me of writing this because I'm bitter about a rejection or something.</p>
<p>"In the 1940s we rounded up all the Japanese and put them in INTERNMENT CAMPS. Are any of those other groups asking for Afirmative Action? No. Because they realize in America you must make it through hard work and determination. If we really wanted to help the disadvantage wouldn't we base it on socioeconomics to help all those who have struggled."</p>
<p>Whatever man, its not like some Asian person if they got a boost from Affirmative Action would say "you know what please don't give me a boost because I realize that in America we have to have hard work and have determination" BS</p>
<p>"ou're the one arguing words. I've made nothing but good points to which you've done, well, nothing intelligable. Ahh well, you haven't made sense in about 10-11 posts. I declare myself the champion - let socio-economic AA go forth across the land"</p>
<p>Look at the last post</p>
<p>"I didn't say the poor were inferior.</p>
<p>I said in the real world being labeled "poor" will make someone come to be seen as inferior."</p>
<p>Who is trying to argue semantics?</p>
<p>Before the civil rights black people were SEEN as inferior I think time has proved that they were not(If you dont believe so its hard to believe that youre not racists and if so it would be hard to convince you not to be).Poor people you say are seen to be inferior. Is there any similarities.</p>
<p>"We obviously cannot simply ignore the maldistribution of wealth in our society, and I certainly don;t"</p>
<p>I have been trying to point that out but I cant get it to sink in to their brains it just gets thrown out as a useless fact and hence why argument doesnt go anywhere.</p>
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<p>Couldn't agree more. So why not base AA on relevant facts like, say, wealth and not the color of ones skin?</p>
<p>(I'm done for real now - been interesting guys)</p>
<p>""In the 1940s we rounded up all the Japanese and put them in INTERNMENT CAMPS. Are any of those other groups asking for Afirmative Action? No. Because they realize in America you must make it through hard work and determination. If we really wanted to help the disadvantage wouldn't we base it on socioeconomics to help all those who have struggled."</p>
<p>This shows an ignorance of history. Read up.</p>
<p>"Whatever man, its not like some Asian person if they got a boost from Affirmative Action would say "you know what please don't give me a boost because I realize that in America we have to have hard work and have determination" BS"</p>
<p>Let me add to this comment. They were the first to take full advantage of AA if you look at admissions in the years right after colleges became open to other ethnicities.</p>