<p>You got in because you deserved it. PERIOD. Not because you were black and used the supposed "URM card" to get in... If that person keeps telling you that, then just ignore them and keep going. I, for example, am also a URM and got rejected from both Yale and Harvard, with pretty decent stats (2270 SAT, top 3%, 2340 SATII's, decent EC's)......which means, it is still very competitive to get in... I am proud of you and hope you keep going, you're doing great!!!</p>
<p>Debate, I sympathize, but how different is this from people who think my son can rap or play basketball, because he is Black?</p>
<p>Dbate -- which Debater does NOT have a strong opinion on Aff. Action? I know in my district/state it seems to be an annual favorite topic. </p>
<p>My view- Socioeconomic Affermative Action, although minorities will still recieve a dispropotionate amount of the assistance atleast then you won't get RICH minorities getting helped out, only the ones that really need it (and yah I know that was a wicked long run-on).</p>
<p>Dbate-ignore them. They are just ashamed about what university they are going to, and themselves.</p>
<p>The one argument I've heard for affirmative action based on race that I find somewhat compelling is that it compensates for the racism latent in legacy admissions (ie that the ghost of the previous generation's racism still affects this year's admissions because there are fewer minority alums whose kids could get legacy benefits). Of course, the problem with this argument is that it treats races as single entities, which they aren't. But I've long since gotten past the idea that college admissions are fair, so we might as well do our best to make a diverse class, right?</p>
<p>Yeah I know I earned my acceptance. I have decided to just ignore them, they don't matter and after two months I will more than likely never see this people again in my life.</p>
<p>Dbate, old friend, understand this: Once decisions come out, everyone who gets into top schools gets hated on. The legacy gets it because "without the old boy network he'd be on the outside looking in." The rich girl gets in because "Daddy must have thrown them some extra money." The jock had the bar lowered because he's 6'4" and weighs 300 lb. On and on. </p>
<p>All you hear about here on CC is "What's your hook?" The inference is that no one -- black, white, green, or fuchsia -- can get in without "an angle." Then, once people discover -- or assume they discover -- what that hook was, they complain it "wasn't fair," and the person "didn't deserve it."</p>
<p>I hate to put it this way, but isn't it better to be going to Yale and having people diss you, rather than being the one going to State and feeling like dissing someone else? You did your thing and you won. Next!</p>
<p>Do you want to know a sure-fire way to never have to deal with jealousy? Become an complete and utter failure!</p>
<p>Peace.</p>
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<p>I take it that you are of the opinion that formal equality, </p>
<p>yes, of course whoever said this was angry and jealous and bitter... but isn't that understandable?</p>
<p>valedictorian of my class with near perfect sat scores, i was deferred early action by yale. a kid in my school, with mediocre grades and scores, got into wharton... and, surprise, he's black. and a good friend of mine, who scored 460 points lower on the sat, got into stanford early action. and, another surprise, she's black. obviously, they didn't get in "over me"... after all, we applied to totally different schools. but 20% or so of those admitted were underrepresented minorities, and most likely a whole heck of a lot of them wouldn't have gotten in otherwise. </p>
<p>you should be proud- no matter what, yale is ****ing impressive. but, just remember, whoever this naysayer is might have gotten rejected by amherst, and might have been admitted even he were black.</p>
<p>and, just to clarify, i'm happily going to columbia next year... no longer bitter.</p>
<p>@4th, no one can deny the added power URM/Legacy/Athlete gives to one's application. There are numerous accounts of those people getting into colleges with substandard scores/GPA. For this reason, applicants, who worked their aases off in HS to get great scores/GPA/awards and were rejected, deserve to be suspicious of a URM acceptance. Unfortunately, there are several URMs, like Dbate, who could have made it in regardless of race, and are therefore are questioned repeatedly.</p>
<p>waitn184, here is my point: If we lived in a world where we were all one race, where we were all athletes, and we were all legacies, some people would still get in and some would not and in the self-selective world of top colleges the differences between the accepted and the rejected might still be almost infinitesimal. Thus, if we eliminated URM, legacy, and jock, there would still be hooks and there would still be self-packaging in order to stand out in the crowd. Some would do a better job of it than others and they would get hated on.</p>
<p>Just because some things are unfair and some of those problems may never be solved doesn't mean we shouldn't try to tackle others.</p>
<p>Why didn't you just not fill in the ethnicity question, leaving it blank?</p>
<p>^^^That would not mater because people around the OP will still think he got in because he was black. </p>
<p>@4th, define infinitesimal. At least for me, a 200-300 pt. difference in SAT is not infinitesimal, nor is a .5 difference in GPA. Nor are some of the awards rejected applicants have garnered in comparison to those of (some, not all!) accepted URMs.</p>
<p>Honestly I don't think you would have gotten into Yale if it wasn't for AA.</p>
<p>Duh, of course you got in because you're black.</p>
<p>Then again, what if you really did get in because of Affirmative Action? (I'm not saying that you did though, but you have to consider this). </p>
<p>You'd be arguing against the case of how you got in. =P</p>
<p>Do you come from a richer socioeconomic family? If so, you'd be benefiting from AA even though you really don't possess any economic struggle or a "hard time growing up" because of your race. And this is the reason I don't necessarily like Affirmative Action. If, however, you do come from a low achieving family, then yes, I'd say you deserve to be in. Then again I don't even know your stats or EC's.</p>
<p>I find it funny how in your stats thread for your hooks you put:</p>
<p>Hooks (URM, first generation college, etc.): Black+Engineering+Research</p>
<p>bahaha hypocrite much?</p>
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<p>HAHAHA! I actually am African American... FAIL.</p>
<p>Dbate:</p>
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<p>Exactly.</p>
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<p>bahaha hypocrite much? "
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<p>You do realize that these things are hooks, right. I am fully aware being black helps but guess what I did not choose to be black. What I did choose to do is work really hard at science research and debate and band and football for years. </p>
<p>Someone seems a little bitter.</p>