<p>Oh I just meant that slave-descended African-Americans have been the product of a lot of past discrimination that has economically and culturally put them in a disadvantageous position relative to the rest of America. As such, they're severely underrepresented in top universities as compared with other ethnic groups (or even Africans who have immigrated to America in the past 50 years or so).</p>
<p>I am totally lost. This is not true.
Asian businessmen go to some campuses with their children and there is a sit-down.
Then, the child has to pass the TOEFL and he/she is pretty much in the school.
Then there are the many Asian Americans who apply, and the Asian internationals who apply without their parents endorsement or hand. </p>
<p>Tell me, which African would be able to do that?</p>
<p>What are you talking about?</p>
<p>I am totally lost. This is not true.
Asian businessmen go to some campuses with their children and there is a sit-down.
Then, the child has to pass the TOEFL and he/she is pretty much in the school.
Then there are the many Asian Americans who apply, and the Asian internationals who apply without their parents endorsement or hand. </p>
<p>Tell me, which African would be able to do that?</p>
<p>GET ME?</p>
<p>What are you talking about?</p>
<p>@bluewhitebulldog. What on earth are you talking about?, could you clarify, in other words?
thx OP</p>
<p>I don't think he/she speaks english, natively at least; Most of his/her posts are unintelligible.</p>
<p>Ok, so Africans are not ORM's. That is all I was saying. They do not always have the means (a father who contributes to a school, the advantage of being a legacy etc etc) as other people do. They normally apply as first generation college bound.</p>
<p>That was my point, and I guess I did not explain it this way. Hope it is "intelligible" enough for you. </p>
<p>Naijagirl, do not worry about your application. The good will happen.
Nawa that Oyibo has to start its sickness in-front of us. Huh!</p>
<p>I think you don’t quite understand what ORM is, bluewhite. Just because an individual family does not have the means, doesn’t mean that his/her ethnic group can’t be overrepresented. When you look at the Africans that are applying to these schools, usually they’re rich and well-educated… because those are the only Africans that have the means to do so, usually.</p>
<p>Yeah, maybe I am wrong. But Yale is 12% - 13% Asian, and about 9% international.
Africans are international, so they are part of the 9%.</p>
<p>Let us do the math.
Continents = Africa, Asia, South America, Australia, Europe…
That is 5.
Let us say that the internationals are 10%.
Assuming that Yale takes equal numbers from each continent: 10% DIVIDED by 5</p>
<p>2% African. </p>
<p>ORM or URM?</p>
<p>Even if all the internationals were African, and taking away the assumption that there are equal numbers from each continent, that is a 13:9 ratio.</p>
<p>That was my basic reasoning. African families may have the means, but they are not ORMs.</p>
<p>no, not all Africans are international. </p>
<p>1/3 to 1/2 of the “black” students at Ivies are either African immigrants, or first generation from Africa or the Caribbean. But the have citizenship so they are not international.</p>
<p>Yeah dude. I wasn’t talking about African internationals at all. I was talking about permanent residents and US citizens that are non-slave descended Africans.</p>
<p>So I thought we established that Africans with greencards and citizenship get benefits of Afican Americans, and are therefore seen as African American/Black. That is what they check, isn’t it?</p>
<p>Yes but colleges compete much harder for African Americans with multigenerational roots in the US, when they can discern them.</p>
<p>I have not read the last 3 pages but in response to OP. </p>
<p>Stop doing things that help you get into places. What do you consider yourself, what do you consider your heritage. This can also be influenced depending on if you would like to go back to Africa after graduation. Hope this helps.</p>
<p>^ Amen to that.</p>
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<p>Lol, are you Igbo, bluewhitebulldog? Uncannily enough, I understood that. And if you are, Oyibo is spelled with an “n” = Oyinbo.</p>
<p>Lol…it only takes a Nigerian to incite confusion and drama. (Don’t worry, I’m Nigerian and I love Naija people…)</p>
<p>Bizzyjudy, you hit the nail on the head. Every point is right… on point.
Look at the one that posted before you.
We are so not welcome in here.</p>
<p>I didn’t know that colleges compete much harder for African Americans with mulitgenerational roots in the US. That is one thing I learned today.</p>