Aid a HYP admit on his decision

<p>Please enlighten me on all your knowledge that would be appropriate in aiding me on a decision between HYP. I have a full ride to all three so the financial basis is not a problem at all. Distance is also not an issue for me and they are relatively close to my home in NJ anyway. Now that those details are out of the way, my personal details on what I like/am interested in:</p>

<p>-Projected Econ Major with a focus on PreMed (Intended graduate path, obviously enough, being medicine. Also obvious enough, I want the school to be strong in both Econ and PreMed)
-If I am able to, be a possible double major in Econ and Chem
-Motivating and intriguing classes where I'll enjoy learning (I am pretty self-motivated but having a great instructor and class makes me enjoy learning even more)
-Ease of access with professors and resources
-Great assistance in ensuring the success of senior thesis and entry into medical school (I am aware the MCAT score is all on me but this point is in regards to providing me the proper prerequisites and ensuring the stability of my GPA)
-Great study abroad program (Definitely want to check out Costa Rica for a summer and possibly study a semester in either England, Australia or France)
-Friendly atmosphere with students whom will not be difficult to connect with
-School community where the students love their athletics and are high-spirited about all they have to offer (EC/activity wise)
-Pleasant social scene
-Great food
-Running (Will walk-on for varsity cross country but will probably end up just focusing on running for myself. I am a distance addict and will become a road runner, focusing especially on the half-marathon)
-Hassle-free dorm life and great housing</p>

<p>I know this may be tough criteria to fit and somewhat subjective, but I would appreciate as much detail and information that can be given to me. Thank you for your time before you guys post btw!</p>

<p>I’m doing this mostly to bump the thread, seeing as I am in no way qualified to give any real opinions. The most I can say is that, according to my math teacher, Harvard has a very “tough” (take it for what you want) social scene. Based on statistics I’ve read, all three seem practically guaranteed to get you placed in a top med school provided you have the GPA and MCAT score. My highest praises on these acceptances (with full ride!), I’m sure you’ll have a bright future wherever you go.</p>

<p>The residential college system is what distinguishes Yale from the other two. It is AMAZING. Residential colleges foster tons of spirit and a sense of belonging. Being part of a diverse-by-design residential college from day one is an unbeatable experience.</p>

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<p>Just want to clear something up.</p>

<p>The OP is not using customary FA/scholarship nomenclature in referring to having a ‘full ride’ to HYP. Full ride generally refers to merit based aid. All of these schools give only need based FA. </p>

<p>So while the OP obviously had a many strengths, it was not their academic & EC achievements that gained them full funding for these schools, it was their family’s financial situation.</p>

<p>I disagree with Entomom’s characterizations about the OP’s descriptions. The Ivies and other top schools admit almost exclusively based upon academic strength, including GPA, test scores and unique applicants. It should not matter in any discussion whether and how financial aid plays a role…Congrats to the OP! Take some time on each of the campuses and talk to students and staff. Go with your gut!</p>

<p>Hopefully you went to Bull Dog Days, Veritas, and will attend Princeton Preview. I’m a strong Yale supporter but you won’t substantively differentiate the schools with your list.</p>

<p>It will be nearly impossible to double major in Econ and Chem and fulfill pre-med requirements. There is not enough overlap and that combo would likely exceed 80% of your credits leaving little left for anything else. You certainly could be an econ major and fulfill pre-med requirements which will include chem courses.</p>

<p>FWIW, the OP mentioned “full ride” and those in the know understand at the Ivy’s, that is nothing to be particularly proud about. The OP could have just said that there is no financial difference between the choices. It was PMCM18 that interpreted this to be a good thing when it really only means your family is in the range of lower middle class to poverty.</p>

<p>I sincerely did not know that, I’m deeply sorry. Please forgive my ignorance.</p>

<p>^Not a problem PMCM, it was the OP that used the term full ride. I was compelled to comment because it’s really important for future applicants to understand that the OP is receiving money based on their family’s need, not merit. </p>

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<p>BarristerDad, please reread what I wrote: </p>

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<p>Of course these schools are all need blind, I’m talking about financial aid NOT admissions.</p>

<p>I’m in the same boat as you. I went to BDD but I am not going to visitas or pp, because of scheduling conflicts. However I did visit HYP outside of their respective “admit weekends” because I think it’s better to get an experience of how life is really like when there aren’t tons of special events and hundreds of prefrosh roaming the campus. That being said, I had a great time at BDD meeting an amazing group of peers.</p>

<p>Econ/Premed: HYP do not have “premed” majors. Econ is strong across all three and differences at the undergrad level are negligible. H might be <em>slightly</em> stronger though. Note that Princeton’s grade deflation policy will make life (GPA-wise) more difficult for pre-meds.</p>

<p>Motivating classes: depends on your learning style/preferences, really. Y’s offerings really impressed me (Great Hoaxes in Archaeology, anyone?)</p>

<p>Prof. Accessiblility: Y or P. H is probably weaker in this aspect (all of those grad/professional schools) and you will need to be a lot more proactive. Econ is extremely popular at all three of HYP so professors will be less accessible because of so many students.</p>

<p>Career planning services: all three are amazing. This is HYP we’re talking about, not a state school with 5-figure undergrad body and severely understaffed counselors.</p>

<p>Study abroad: all three are amazing. If you can get “full-ride” (actually need-based) financial aid for tuition/room+board, expect financial aid for study abroad as well. Yale offered me free airplane tickets and shuttle service for BDD because of my financial aid situation.</p>

<p>Friendly atmosphere: From what I’ve seen, I rank from friendliest to least: Yale, Princeton, Harvard. Obviously subjective but that was my impression of students-note that these impressions are from my non-admit weekend visits.</p>

<p>School (athletic) spirit: Lacking at all three (compared to Big 10 schools, at least) except for the H-Y game. Yale’s hockey games are pretty intense though. As for ECs students at all three schools have a lot of enthusiasm for what they do.</p>

<p>Social scene: depends on what you’re interested in but Y’s social scene as a whole seemed more casual and open than H and P.</p>

<p>Food: all three have food that is much, much better than what my high school cafeteria offers. In terms of quality I’d say that H is weaker than Y or P. At Yale, I ate at JE (generally considered with Saybrook to be the worst dining halls) for dinner and I thought it was quite good for institutional food. To compensate, Harvard is near a ton of restaurants so there you go.</p>

<p>Running: no idea, not a runner :P</p>

<p>Housing: Harvard has many different types of housing and is luck of the draw for freshmen. You might get a double or be in a huge suite. Yes, there can be questionable creatures roaming the river houses. Princeton has a weird system where you live in a pseudo-residential college but then as an upperclassman you can do the eating club route or opt for upperclass dorms, or live in a community co-op. Yale has residential colleges which you live in for four years (which is a great community) and this system is probably the most organized and “hassle-free” out of HYP.</p>

<p>Honestly, all three schools are ridiculously good, and at this point it’s all about finding what fits you and that special x-factor that makes one school where you want to grow over the next 4 years. Like so many people before me have already said, you can’t really go wrong at any of these schools, though actually for premed I don’t recommend P because of grade deflation. I’m incredibly thankful to be an HYP(and SM) cross admit and I’ll be headed to Yale. I’m a math/science (not doing premed) kind of person, so you might think that I’d consider H and P first. However, I felt that Yale students were much more down-to-earth, friendly, and happy than students I met at Harvard and Princeton, and a good community is very important to me. Good luck in your decision!</p>

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That’s true for about 99% of the colleges. There only a few that have what they call a “pre-med” major. Penn State is the only one that comes to mind.</p>

<p><a href=“http://science.psu.edu/premed/majorinfo[/url]”>http://science.psu.edu/premed/majorinfo&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Google and check out the above. It seems like what you’re looking for. A group of club members run get together in the evning and run most days; some runs are quite long. They also participate in events around Yale and elsewhere in the ivy league.</p>

<p>So as not to derail this thread with idle chatter that doesn’t answer your question directly.</p>

<p>KnightCharlie, you can’t go wrong with your choices. I say pick one out of the hat and go work hard. Each of these schools with put you in a different league all together. Best Wishes!!</p>

<p>The enormously unhelpful fact is that all three schools are fairly strong in regards to your criteria. I personally think that Y and P are a little stronger re: school spirit and friendliness (everyone I met on my H visit was sour and cranky, but I already had that impression of Harvard to begin with, and that’s obviously not representative of the student body). </p>

<p>One thing: Implicit in your pre-med comment about the stability of your GPA is a worry about grade deflation. I want to point out that grade deflation at Princeton hasn’t impacted the natural sciences, where curves historically tended to keep the number of A’s below 35% anyway. Are pre-med courses hard and rigorously graded? Yes, but not because of grade deflation but because they’re just hard. The same will be true at H and Y as well.</p>

<p>Some thoughts from a Harvard grad - </p>

<p>Honestly, I haven’t visited Yale or Princeton (though I’ve driven through New Haven), so I can’t really say much about them, other than that Yale and Harvard have similar housing systems (Harvard’s residential “Houses” are for 3 years, not 4) and that was one of the best features of my time in college. Yes, we do have nasty little creatures on occasion, but nothing too bad, thank God.</p>

<p>I can’t tell you too much about the econ/chem/premed programs, but I can tell you that several of my close friends were premed and are now at Yale and Harvard Medical Schools, as well as several more at Ann Arbor (U Michigan), and one of my former roommates had a year-long internship at NIH in Maryland. </p>

<p>We also had some fantastic classes, such as Digging the Glyphs (in which we actually learned to “solve” the Rosetta Stone, decipher the Sindarin script from Lord of the Rings, etc.)…and the nice thing was that they were actually serious classes. One of the ostensibly more “serious” classes, such as Ec 10 (Social Analysis 10, the introductory economics class), had hysterically funny exam questions (I’m not joking, pardon the semi-pun). There was a huge breadth of interesting courses to take. I have to say that Harvard is an extremely self-directed place, with very little in the way of advising (it has somewhat improved since I graduated, thank God – it was pretty bad before). It’s very much sink-or-swim. That said, you can make it as academically rigorous as you want, and there is guidance if you know where to look for it. </p>

<p>Professors may or may not be accessible, but usually they are more so than you expect them to be. Some of my closest friends – and yes, I mean friends – were my professors/House Masters. I helped one of them move furniture to her beach house and spent a fantastic afternoon driving around Swansea, MA. This probably isn’t typical, of course, but in general I found that my professors were very approachable if I made the effort. Also, the star-struck feeling goes away after your first year/semester, generally speaking. Again, I can’t speak for your particular majors. </p>

<p>Career planning is excellent at Harvard…again, if you take the time to go after it. Harvard’s the type of place where you have to go after everything – very little is pointed out to you or handed to you. Actually, I work at a relatively big state school now and they seem to have fantastic advising services – it’s harder to slip through the cracks here than it was at Harvard, which is kind of sad. </p>

<p>I can’t really comment on study abroad. I can comment on financial aid at Harvard – I was a student recruiter for the Harvard Financial Aid Initiative, which is wonderful. I, too, was given free tickets etc. They also have something called the Student Events Board, which gives out free tickets to HFAI recipients throughout the semester…which is really nice because I wasn’t able to easily afford a lot of the on-campus events without them. </p>

<p>Atmosphere: I won’t lie – Harvard can be a very stressful place. If you have a core support group, it can be great…even if the culture is often one of asking about each other’s homework and complaining about exams (haha – it’s better than it sounds). I loved it. I was stressed out of my mind some of the time, but I would not trade my experience there (especially Lowell House and the wonderful community there) for any other undergraduate experience. That said, it really can take a toll on you. I don’t think it’s lack of friendliness…Boston’s kind of like that in general, and people are great once they let their guard down. (I lived in the Greater Boston area for a year after college, which was a similar experience.) Wow – I’m making this sound terrible. Basically – it’s stressful, it’s amazing, it’s the kind of intellectual experience that I wanted very badly, it’s in Cambridge (which only adds to the experience) and Boston is very close by. It’s its own little world (the “Harvard bubble”) and you can get <em>so</em> much out of it if you know what you’re doing/whom to ask/what to look for. I agree that you should visit on non-prefrosh-weekend days because you’ll see what the atmosphere is really like. Talk to real students (they arrange hosted visits through the admissions office). Accept the fact that it rains a lot. Wander around campus (especially the Science Center) and see if you can visit the Houses. I had a terrible prefrosh experience because everyone was trying to impress each other and ended up acting kind of like arrogant jerks…but I actually talked to the students who were hosting me and figured that if that’s what the students who had lived/gone to school there were like, it would probably be fine. Visit a campus before you decide to go there – it can make a huge difference. </p>

<p>I agree re: the lack of school spirit…except on H-Y game day. Of course, I hate football, and don’t really care much for other sports, so it could just be me…we do get into Housing Day and anti-Yale stuff, though, so we’re not entirely lacking in school spirit. I guess it depends on how you define it, and what you compare it to…we’re definitely not a Pac-10 school, but we have our pride. ECs: yes. </p>

<p>Harvard’s social scene…what can I say? The partying involves a surprising amount of drinking, mostly hard liquor (which means quite a few hospitalizations), and in-room parties. I generally liked to do other stuff. You can go into Boston, for one thing, and we generally managed to have a good time when we weren’t studying. I for one knew most of the people in my House, but I’m probably somewhat of an exception. </p>

<p>Food: it was decent, it was institutional…and, on Harvard’s meal plan, you can eat as much of it as you want, which is great (thank God I didn’t have to think about points or numbers of meals per week or any of that). You also get BoardPlus, which is ~$50/semester to use around campus at the coffee carts etc. Also, as mentioned, there’s the Square and Boston if you really want good food…and Haymarket farmer’s market for those who actually want to cook.</p>

<p>Running: I’m not a runner, but I did do quite a bit of long-distance walking. The Charles River has some nice trails, and you can bike out to Walden Pond or go on the Minuteman Trail out to Alewife…there’s a great trail that runs out to Watertown, etc. Also, the gym system was great (and free). </p>

<p>Housing – basically, yup. I spent most of my time in Lowell’s dining hall, and it was honestly a home away from home for 3 years. I miss it even now, 3 years out. </p>

<p>Congrats all who got in – I of course am biased toward Harvard, but I think you can have a great experience at any of those three schools. Don’t go just for the name – make sure you feel comfortable on campus, because you’ll be living there for the next four years!</p>

<p>~lb</p>

<p>I wonder if the OP has been on the 2016 admits’ FB page? I gather there are quite a few cross-admits participating and that there has been some thoughtful discussion of this topic.</p>

<p>Congrats on having these great options!</p>

<p>i’ve heard a lot of great things about yale from my neighbor who goes there…</p>

<p>So OP, what was your final decision? :D</p>